Where are you? (Pinnacle Union Chat)
07-18-2010, 08:41 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by ebl14
So what would you do? I'm not trying to defend SE, but if you aren't bringing anything to the table you need to get out of your high chair.
The point is, since you missed it, no ONE man can do SH!T.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO!!! OMG PLZ TELL US
07-19-2010, 05:28 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by ebl14
Just curious, aside from a communication or two, what would you have him do to "lead" us, where would we go? But before you answer that you should know that precident has been set in court that if he even hints at a slowdown of any kind, such as a "fly the book" campaign, we (9E ALPA) will be sued and you can kiss any chance of release goodbye.
So let me ask again, what would you have him do? What would you do if you were our fearless leader? Who knows, maybe if you have good enough ideas you can be on constant buyout an see how much you like the job.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustrations about communications, but there isn't alot you MEC chair can really do. It is really up to all of us on the line to make an impact. You have the parking brake under your hand... not SE.
So let me ask again, what would you have him do? What would you do if you were our fearless leader? Who knows, maybe if you have good enough ideas you can be on constant buyout an see how much you like the job.
Don't get me wrong, I understand your frustrations about communications, but there isn't alot you MEC chair can really do. It is really up to all of us on the line to make an impact. You have the parking brake under your hand... not SE.
First off I would start by addressing the pilot group and continue to address them instead if being mia. It wouldn't take much to communicate with the group weekly or bi-weekly. Heck he is after all bought off month after month and he has choosen to take on this responsibility. I understand that he may be busy but the least he could do is address the group.
Second, I have said he can't advocate a work action but reminding th pilots to fly the book isn't a work action. It's not like telling everyone to call in sick or do some sort of slow down. If he addressed the group he could remind them of what's at stake. The union would not get sued for advising pilots to fly the book. If doesn't take much to lead and he hasn't been. There are plenty if things he could improve on and we've expressed them and he hasn't done anything.
07-19-2010, 05:59 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: 73N
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Originally Posted by Yzerman
Sorry mommy, I'll get out of my high chair after I finish my kool-aid.
The point is, since you missed it, no ONE man can do SH!T.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO!!! OMG PLZ TELL US
The point is, since you missed it, no ONE man can do SH!T.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO!!! OMG PLZ TELL US
07-19-2010, 06:10 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
First off I would start by addressing the pilot group and continue to address them instead if being mia. It wouldn't take much to communicate with the group weekly or bi-weekly. Heck he is after all bought off month after month and he has choosen to take on this responsibility. I understand that he may be busy but the least he could do is address the group.
Second, I have said he can't advocate a work action but reminding th pilots to fly the book isn't a work action. It's not like telling everyone to call in sick or do some sort of slow down. If he addressed the group he could remind them of what's at stake. The union would not get sued for advising pilots to fly the book. If doesn't take much to lead and he hasn't been. There are plenty if things he could improve on and we've expressed them and he hasn't done anything.
Second, I have said he can't advocate a work action but reminding th pilots to fly the book isn't a work action. It's not like telling everyone to call in sick or do some sort of slow down. If he addressed the group he could remind them of what's at stake. The union would not get sued for advising pilots to fly the book. If doesn't take much to lead and he hasn't been. There are plenty if things he could improve on and we've expressed them and he hasn't done anything.
07-19-2010, 08:28 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by ebl14
I agree with you about to communications, it would be nice to see something now and then. Unfortunately it seems that when there is nothing to report, nothing is put out to us. If you are so concerned about communications you should consider volunteering on the communications committee. Its all done by 1 guy and he could use some help, plus then you would have the answers to all the questions you seek. When our comm chair is on a trip or busy with representations either he has to a) sacrifice his rest on a layover to write the communication or b) let it wait until he is finished with his trip.
07-19-2010, 10:10 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by ebl14
Wow, I didn't see that response coming from a mile away. Input the appropriate shorthand teenage text message format here____________. Some people would rather have someone else do all the work and sit back and complain...
07-19-2010, 11:52 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by flapsfail
First off I would start by addressing the pilot group and continue to address them instead if being mia. It wouldn't take much to communicate with the group weekly or bi-weekly. Heck he is after all bought off month after month and he has choosen to take on this responsibility. I understand that he may be busy but the least he could do is address the group.
Second, I have said he can't advocate a work action but reminding th pilots to fly the book isn't a work action. It's not like telling everyone to call in sick or do some sort of slow down. If he addressed the group he could remind them of what's at stake. The union would not get sued for advising pilots to fly the book. If doesn't take much to lead and he hasn't been. There are plenty if things he could improve on and we've expressed them and he hasn't done anything.
Second, I have said he can't advocate a work action but reminding th pilots to fly the book isn't a work action. It's not like telling everyone to call in sick or do some sort of slow down. If he addressed the group he could remind them of what's at stake. The union would not get sued for advising pilots to fly the book. If doesn't take much to lead and he hasn't been. There are plenty if things he could improve on and we've expressed them and he hasn't done anything.
Picketing (could be a waste of time, but shows unity)
Taking a serious campaign against 9E mangmnt ( new billboards, newspaper ad's, new stickers etc...)
There has been nothing done for years now. Heck we had our first all pilot call in over a year last month. He should be having all pilot calls once a month. To many of the rank and file it looks like our MEC is a total bunch of wussy's. That might or might not be the case, but how would we know??? The MEC puts nothing out!!!
If tossing SE is what this group needs then so be it. All I hear on the line is how much the 9E union is a bunch of wussy's, and they do nothing but watch all this happen. I defended our union for a long time, but I have stopped, because my mindset is changing too.
The LEC's did put some stuff out and it was better then the past, but this has gone on way to long. The MEC needs to start playing hardball, and if you dont you are going to lose this pilot group... I called to volunteer 3 years ago. I made 4 phone calls, and not one was returned. So I also am tired of hearing... "if you dont like it, volunteer and make a change."
07-19-2010, 12:51 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by PCLCREW
Both are great!
Picketing (could be a waste of time, but shows unity)
Taking a serious campaign against 9E mangmnt ( new billboards, newspaper ad's, new stickers etc...)
There has been nothing done for years now. Heck we had our first all pilot call in over a year last month. He should be having all pilot calls once a month. To many of the rank and file it looks like our MEC is a total bunch of wussy's. That might or might not be the case, but how would we know??? The MEC puts nothing out!!!
If tossing SE is what this group needs then so be it. All I hear on the line is how much the 9E union is a bunch of wussy's, and they do nothing but watch all this happen. I defended our union for a long time, but I have stopped, because my mindset is changing too.
The LEC's did put some stuff out and it was better then the past, but this has gone on way to long. The MEC needs to start playing hardball, and if you dont you are going to lose this pilot group... I called to volunteer 3 years ago. I made 4 phone calls, and not one was returned. So I also am tired of hearing... "if you dont like it, volunteer and make a change."
Picketing (could be a waste of time, but shows unity)
Taking a serious campaign against 9E mangmnt ( new billboards, newspaper ad's, new stickers etc...)
There has been nothing done for years now. Heck we had our first all pilot call in over a year last month. He should be having all pilot calls once a month. To many of the rank and file it looks like our MEC is a total bunch of wussy's. That might or might not be the case, but how would we know??? The MEC puts nothing out!!!
If tossing SE is what this group needs then so be it. All I hear on the line is how much the 9E union is a bunch of wussy's, and they do nothing but watch all this happen. I defended our union for a long time, but I have stopped, because my mindset is changing too.
The LEC's did put some stuff out and it was better then the past, but this has gone on way to long. The MEC needs to start playing hardball, and if you dont you are going to lose this pilot group... I called to volunteer 3 years ago. I made 4 phone calls, and not one was returned. So I also am tired of hearing... "if you dont like it, volunteer and make a change."
(imho 1 phone call should be enough, whether or not someone picks up)
07-19-2010, 01:15 PM
#40
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Posts: 1,204
Originally Posted by higney85
You want to volunteer? Shoot me a PM, email, text, or call me. There are enough guys on this board that will tell you that I will put you to work.
but for those pilots who "complain" about the work of the union, and are told that they should volunteer, they've got a tougher road....
trust me, I know.
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