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07-21-2010 | 02:25 PM

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ToiletDuck

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Originally Posted by SUX4U

Lets see in 3 to 5 years I can predict the Airbus fleet will be changed a bit because of the large order of similar sized C series coming online then. And in that same time frame you will still be an FO flying that hulking pile of garbage around, still miserable and wishing your company would do something out side the box.

Let the RAH guys worry about their career and you worry about yours. It does no good what so ever to "hate" another airline. This middle school mentality is getting old FAST!

You know one thing I'm curious about, and sure someone at F9 has the insight, but I'm wondering what Frontier was able to do on their leases while they were in BK. DAL/NWA made some great moves while in BK. If Frontier was able to make similar progress with the bus fleet while in BK they might be staying around for longer than you think. Anyone know what was negotiated during BK?

07-21-2010 | 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey

Yea, I do. I'm sure there's a handful of nitwits here that want it but from what I have heard from the guys I've asked, they could care less about Airbii.
Guys upgrading to the bus is not the #1 issue at the heart of the arbitration

Since you seem to be speaking for the group as a whole, mind explaining your groups priorities/"wants" from the SLI.

07-21-2010 | 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FLEX

You sure you want to stick with that blanket statement Monkey? We could have saved a lot of time in the arbitration if we had that in writing.

Arbitration will end soon enough. Hopefully it all ends there.

07-21-2010 | 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FLEX

Since you seem to be speaking for the group as a whole, mind explaining your groups priorities/"wants" from the SLI.

I don't speak for the group as a whole as my original post said that OF THE GUYS I'VE TALKED TO, nobody cares about the bus. Now if you want to try and divert it to an all or nothing type of pedestrian argument, I'm not really interested. I'm sure the "groups" priorities are more than just one. We'll see come August....

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07-21-2010 | 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrustMonkey

I don't speak for the group as a whole as my original post said that OF THE GUYS I'VE TALKED TO, nobody cares about the bus. Now if you want to try and divert it to an all or nothing type of pedestrian argument, I'm not really interested. I'm the "groups" priorities are more than just one. We'll see come August....

Now who is trying to "divert"? When I questioned you earlier about making a blanket statement for the group you seemed confident in your assertion. I am only asking you to clarify your groups priorities since you clearly stated what they weren't.

07-21-2010 | 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FLEX

Ok toughguy, you win. That was my sole intention; to divert the question because you had me nailed dead to rights. Well played swordsman. (shaking head and chuckling)

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07-21-2010 | 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by astrojet

lets hope this big order for 100seat jets gives Delta/ alpa a wake-up call to cancel the code share agreement with chataqua and shuttle america for scope violation'...pull the plug on the 24 emb-145 and 16 emb-175....let comair, skywest, compass, asa, pinnacle, mesaba...pick up that flying...

Scope violation? This is why there are 3......er 4 or 5(I can't keep up) certificates. This is how Bedford got around American's scope, so he could fly 170s for Delta. And now, he has Republic to get around Delta scope as well.

07-21-2010 | 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FLEX

You sure you want to stick with that blanket statement Monkey? We could have saved a lot of time in the arbitration if we had that in writing.

The concern of most at RAH is career progression, just like those at F9. So it is indirectly about the airbus, but its more about all future airplanes brought on by the company. Seniority determines a career. With a new contract, F9 pilots may want to displace RAH captains off the 190 in the future. Its not about one sacred airplane.

07-21-2010 | 05:14 PM

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yes...scope violation....it doesnt matter if mr bedford gets 20 certificates....its a violation, that was why mesaba was forced to sell air tran when they owned it for a short time back in the esrly 90's...and presidential was forced to sell the charter 737 when they code-shared with united ...there are several other examples but im getting amnesia...the parent company under any reason may not operate own etc .....no shell games allowed...

07-21-2010 | 05:27 PM

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You might wanna call Mr. Arpey, because he evidently doesn't realize that Republic Airways Holdings, the parent company of American Connection carrier Chautauqua, already operates a whole bunch of E170/E175/E190s on their Shuttle America & Republic certificates and has since at least late 2004.