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I knew full well what the pay entailed when I got in to this industry. If anyone went in to this without SOME sort of idea what their income would be like for years, you deserve a smack.
That being said I'm at said airline that has an opportunity to be a game changer with our next contract. I am fighting like a ****ed off viper to not settle for anything but a contract we can be very happy with. My hope is that the rest of our pilot group will fight just as hard. My fear is that many could care less, complete apathy. I will be here to fight for this contract. I will do my best to educate all those on how vital this is. I WILL strike if we are released to self-help and are able to do so. I will not return until we get the contract we deserve if we DO walk............and if this pilot group and its so far toothless union roll over and accept a mediocre contract, I am out. I will not stick around after fighting so hard with a group that would rather put their hands between their legs and shrug. rant over |
Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
(Post 846819)
I am surprised regionals don't start pay for training again. If I owned a regional I would make both captains and FO's pay for a job. I bet I could get at least 20k from FO's and maybe 10 or 15k from captains. I guarantee would have a stack of resumes on my desk the first day. "Gotta pay those dues right"? "Build that turbine PIC. It will open doors"?
There are few less business savvy professionals out there than airline pilots. How many other professionals pay between 40k and 100k for training and then work for less than peep show janitor wages for years on end? And so many of you have been totally duped by the unions. Particularly the regional guys. ALPA is run by a bunch of bottom feeding political hacks that charge you 2% of your salary to blow smoke up your posterior. The only leverage regional pilots have in negotiations for pay would be to deprive airlines of their services by quitting and going someplace better. Unions have saw to it that it would be foolish to do so. Good job ALPO. Unless your company sells their own tickets you are always going to be at the mercy of the next bottom feeder out there. Yes I am a fool. I used to belive this could be a lucrative profession. While I do love the flying I hate about everything else about this business. I learned my lesson and am working on my exit strategy at the moment. For those of you that think you have made it in this business, you are only fooling yourselves. If you were to get furloughed tomorrow or your airline were to go T.U. where do you think you will go and how little will you be payed? I keep doing it, but I'm gonna find my way out of this hell hole called flying, it just isn't THAT great. |
Originally Posted by PeezDog
(Post 846860)
Sounds like a lot of you didn't do your research before perusing this career. I'm not in this for the money and never will be. I never had any money, my family never had any money so I'm used to not having any money. I know how to live off what I have. I never expected to get rich in this field. I know some of you Riddle guys I went to school with have a ton of money, or your families do anyway. I would always see you pull up in your BMW's and whatever. Hear people talk about their daddy's airplane. Must be nice. So now that you don't have any money and the money you were "promised" isn't there you are all freaking out. It's your own fault for not being happy with what you chose, not the airlines you work for.
I am all for higher wages and better work rules. I agree it could be a hell of a lot better and we should fight to get what we deserve. Why does it seem so many people want stuff handed to them? Like the airlines are gonna be like, "sure here you go." You have to fight to get what you want. I guess too many people are so used to having everything handed to them on a silver platter. I'm just tired of hearing guys complaining about it. If you don't like it either A: let's do something about it or B: quit so we don't have to hear your whining and open up a spot for the people that want to be here. If you knew what the pay was when you took the job, and didn't like it, then why did you take the job? Until all pilots have my attitude about pay, none of us gets more than a COLA raise. |
Originally Posted by Blueskies21
(Post 847651)
I'll tell you the same thing I tell every guy with your attitude. Take your HOBBY and get it the hell out of my CAREER.
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Originally Posted by GlobeTreker
(Post 846911)
I never went to Riddle, but it sounds as though you may have some deeper issues with you and your families financial situation.
I never thought I was owed any certain wage automatically. 10 years ago when I made the jump to get into this industry there were twice as many legacy jobs to be had and the pay was around 50% higher. 10 years ago 55% of domestic departures were not being done in RJ's. 10 years ago CRJ 700's 900's E-170 and 190's didn't exist. It would have been impossible 10 years ago to predict 9-11 and the takeover of domestic flights by RJ's. 10 years ago there was a much different career progression than we have today. Nobody was sitting in the right seat of an RJ for 7 years then. Quit you say? More RJ pie for you? Why yes, I will quit as soon as I can. You may have all of the turd sandwich you can eat. Bon appetit. Haha that's funny. Some Riddle guys just **** me off sometimes. Give us a bad name you know. I'm sure you have meet at some point that stereotypical Riddle guy. I know not everyone is like that, only a small percent. I don't know who ****ed in my cheerios the day I posted this. Must have been a Riddle guy. Any you also make good points. Things definitely changed since before my time. So I can see how from your point of view it sucks. I guess from my point of view this how things are. But like I said, I definitly think we deserve more and we should fight for it. |
Originally Posted by PeezDog
(Post 847664)
No, you get out of my career. Who ever said anything about a hobby? So is a mechanic just doing his hobby too? Most mechanics I ever met also like to fix cars or whatever just because they like to do it, even on their spare time. They've been doing it since they were kids now they are getting paid for it. Just like me and alot of other people who fly. Get bent.
Originally Posted by PeezDog
(Post 847667)
Haha that's funny. Some Riddle guys just **** me off sometimes. Give us a bad name you know. I'm sure you have meet at some point that stereotypical Riddle guy. I know not everyone is like that, only a small percent. I don't know who ****ed in my cheerios the day I posted this. Must have been a Riddle guy. Any you also make good points. Things definitely changed since before my time. So I can see how from your point of view it sucks. I guess from my point of view this how things are. But like I said, I definitly think we deserve more and we should fight for it.
I know it seems like I'm singling you out as THE problem. You're not THE problem, you're a symptom of it. Guys who are willing to work for anything because.. "hey, I get to fly" but "why won't they pay me more". Well they won't pay you more because you think " Awesome I GET to fly" Yes, you GET to be gone 250-300 hours a month and get paid 75-90 hours, but hey at least they give you 1.50 or so an hour for the other 175-225 hours a month. Bet you'd get LOTS of office workers to come to work 300 hours a month for 75 hours of pay.... but at least you have a view right? Nothing changes until we're all ****ed off. You aren't being fairly compensated for your skill. You aren't being fairly compensated for the time you spend away from your family. |
Blueskies 21,
No the second quote was for someone else who had a comment about my post. To be honest, yeah I took your first post a little personally but it's all good. I completely understand what you are saying. I have friends that jumped **** too for the same reasons you said. Agree 100% that we aren't getting compensated fairly. Other people who aren't even pilots think its not fair when I tell them how much I make. We should be getting paid more and yes we should fight for it. I am all for it and will be there to fight when the opportunity comes. Hopefully when contract negotiations come up again, we will all stand up and fight for what we deserve. Won't hold my breath though. The same thing will probably just happen again. For the record, I do not like being abused my scheduling either, or missing holidays and etc. You are right, it is a job. Even with all the crap, I'd still rather be doing this then anything else. Who knows, maybe some day my view will change. There are a lot of things to not like about this job and I realize not everyone will like it. I would never hold it against someone for doing what's best for them. So whatever you decide to do good luck. |
Originally Posted by PeezDog
(Post 847681)
Blueskies 21,
No the second quote was for someone else who had a comment about my post. To be honest, yeah I took your first post a little personally but it's all good. I completely understand what you are saying. I have friends that jumped **** too for the same reasons you said. Agree 100% that we aren't getting compensated fairly. Other people who aren't even pilots think its not fair when I tell them how much I make. We should be getting paid more and yes we should fight for it. I am all for it and will be there to fight when the opportunity comes. Hopefully when contract negotiations come up again, we will all stand up and fight for what we deserve. Won't hold my breath though. The same thing will probably just happen again. For the record, I do not like being abused my scheduling either, or missing holidays and etc. You are right, it is a job. Even with all the crap, I'd still rather be doing this then anything else. Who knows, maybe some day my view will change. There are a lot of things to not like about this job and I realize not everyone will like it. I would never hold it against someone for doing what's best for them. So whatever you decide to do good luck. [Steps off soapbox] As you were. |
Originally Posted by NoStep
(Post 847346)
So, on the original topic, I have a hypothetical question...if a start-up airline was to offer $50hr. for f/o and $100/hr. capt. with no seniority, no contract (FAA min's) and no benefits-just straight pay-would people be lining up for it?
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Originally Posted by robthree
(Post 847696)
Start ups will come along from time to time. They always have they always will. It's the Shiny Jet guys that need to. Ah, this is pointless...:p |
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