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C5Pilot 08-19-2010 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by bender (Post 858090)
I'm not sure that's correct. During the earnings call Brad Rich was asked if the new 10 year CPA was a condition to the purchase of XJT, to which he responded no. That could mean that ASA still has a new CPA with Continental even if this deal falls through.

That is flatly wrong, I heard the entire call, if this deal does not close there is no new CPA, as XJT already has a 7 year CPA in place with CAL that survives any merger, it has 5 years left for 210 aircraft, and I believe we have about 222 on property now. In addition, ASA could not find 210 ERJ's or CRJ's, 2500 pilots with 1500 hrs and build the infrastructure XJT has at CAL in 10 years, more less by January. Ask CHQ, they tried and couldn't get 30 airplane to work well in 3 years. This deal is not getting done without XJT, and JA and CAL know it, or they would have never signed us for 7 more years, would have cancelled our CPA and terminated us from property 12 months later, SKY would have had a CPA 2 years ago if they thought they could do it without XJT.

Dash8Pilot 08-19-2010 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by bender (Post 858090)
I'm not sure that's correct. During the earnings call Brad Rich was asked if the new 10 year CPA was a condition to the purchase of XJT, to which he responded no. That could mean that ASA still has a new CPA with Continental even if this deal falls through.

I think they were talking about a different deal........UAL/CAL. If SKW purchases XJT they will have a 10 year CPA whether UAL/CAL is completed or not. Either the new United will be buying the capacity or the current Continental.

Captain Tony 08-20-2010 05:04 AM

Just remember, Nevets, while you guys are chasing windmills, nothing is getting done on the SLI and JPWA. I think we should get those done, then go after the SkyWest pilots. Maybe even junk ALPA, start an in-house union, THEN go after the SkyWest pilots.

THAT would be much wiser than hitching our wagon to ALPA. This is our golden opportunity to leave them and their inherent conflicts of interest behind. But instead, you want to get them the SkyWest pilots and entrench our position with them.

Slaphappy 08-20-2010 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 858362)
Just remember, Nevets, while you guys are chasing windmills, nothing is getting done on the SLI and JPWA. I think we should get those done, then go after the SkyWest pilots. Maybe even junk ALPA, start an in-house union, THEN go after the SkyWest pilots.

THAT would be much wiser than hitching our wagon to ALPA. This is our golden opportunity to leave them and their inherent conflicts of interest behind. But instead, you want to get them the SkyWest pilots and entrench our position with them.

Fighting to get skywest part of this merger is a futile attempt. Even most die-hard alpa supporters don't think it will happen. What JA did was legal and will hold up in court. Btw why do you want skywest to join the onelist when everyone but a few dozen don't want to join?

C5Pilot 08-20-2010 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 858373)
Fighting to get skywest part of this merger is a futile attempt. Even most die-hard alpa supporters don't think it will happen. What JA did was legal and will hold up in court. Btw why do you want skywest to join the onelist when everyone but a few dozen don't want to join?

I don't really feel a "strong" move in merging all three by XJT MEC, they talk about it but nothing about do or die, I think it is going to be a quick look/see by ALPA and if it is going to hold every thing up it is going to be dropped for some extra $$$ in the new CBA, the effect will be that ASA guys (who already have better bens then SKY) will just become more clear. My guess is ALPA has its own plans to get on property at SKY in 2012. Hate to say it but I don't think they want 7000 regional pilots on one list, then they may have to actually acknowledge we exist!!!!

Nevets 08-20-2010 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 858362)
Just remember, Nevets, while you guys are chasing windmills, nothing is getting done on the SLI and JPWA. I think we should get those done, then go after the SkyWest pilots. Maybe even junk ALPA, start an in-house union, THEN go after the SkyWest pilots.

THAT would be much wiser than hitching our wagon to ALPA. This is our golden opportunity to leave them and their inherent conflicts of interest behind. But instead, you want to get them the SkyWest pilots and entrench our position with them.

And nothing will get done until this issue is resolved. That is the way it should be. I see no conflict of interest. We all want what is best for the profession. I think we can all agree that the cluster that regionals are is not the best for our profession.


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 858373)
Fighting to get skywest part of this merger is a futile attempt. Even most die-hard alpa supporters don't think it will happen. What JA did was legal and will hold up in court. Btw why do you want skywest to join the onelist when everyone but a few dozen don't want to join?

Sorry to tell you but this is not about you or other Skywest pilots. Its about your management using you to whipsaw other pilot groups. Whether it will happen or not, I don't know but I certainly hope we don't just roll over on it.


Originally Posted by C5Pilot (Post 858388)
I don't really feel a "strong" move in merging all three by XJT MEC, they talk about it but nothing about do or die, I think it is going to be a quick look/see by ALPA and if it is going to hold every thing up it is going to be dropped for some extra $$$ in the new CBA, the effect will be that ASA guys (who already have better bens then SKY) will just become more clear. My guess is ALPA has its own plans to get on property at SKY in 2012. Hate to say it but I don't think they want 7000 regional pilots on one list, then they may have to actually acknowledge we exist!!!!

Have you talked to your rep? When I talked to mine, he said there was a strong feeling of wanting to one list or nothing. Of course this is before the meeting with JA and the attorneys. Hopefully they will try to enforce our contract regardless.

You say ALPA has plans to organize SKW in 2012 but also say they don't want one list of 7000 pilots? Which is it? I think you have misconceptions about ALPA on this issue.

PeezDog 08-20-2010 12:08 PM

I've heard directly from an ALPA rep that we MAY have to fit some of the bill to pay for the ALPA lawyers. Is that normal? I for one think that is complete BS. Doesn't ALPA have millions upon millions of dollars? Why do we have to shell out money from our own pocket?

amcnd 08-20-2010 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by PeezDog (Post 858535)
I've heard directly from an ALPA rep that we MAY have to fit some of the bill to pay for the ALPA lawyers. Is that normal? I for one think that is complete BS. Doesn't ALPA have millions upon millions of dollars? Why do we have to shell out money from our own pocket?

Because they pay there little worker bee's 65K a year to send out magazines and junk mail.. Yet they support $19 a hour for a pilot!!!

mking84 08-20-2010 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 858373)
Fighting to get skywest part of this merger is a futile attempt. Even most die-hard alpa supporters don't think it will happen. What JA did was legal and will hold up in court. Btw why do you want skywest to join the onelist when everyone but a few dozen don't want to join?

TSA, GO Jet, Compass

Mesa and Freedumb



XJT does not want anything to do with scenarios like those created at those two companies. Whether it happens or not is irrelevant, I think we can all agree that one list and scope language that means something at the regional level is very important.

Nevets 08-20-2010 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by PeezDog (Post 858535)
I've heard directly from an ALPA rep that we MAY have to fit some of the bill to pay for the ALPA lawyers. Is that normal? I for one think that is complete BS. Doesn't ALPA have millions upon millions of dollars? Why do we have to shell out money from our own pocket?

ALPA legal is already paid for through our dues. Maybe he meant that "we" may have to pay for some of it through the MECs SMRA account.


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