That will be for an arbitrator to decide.

That is perfectly acceptable to me!

And what is your culture at your regional that is so special that you lump all other pilots in the category of they don't have your culture? As for seniority, I'm positive everyone will end up +/- 1-2% of their original seniority. And no one will be displaced from their aircraft, seat or base since that will cost tons of money in training and moving expenses. There will be fences and once the fences come down, you will only be able to bid into vacancies. As for whipsaw, didn't your airline take some 700s from ASA during their contract negotiations? Anyways, XJT has already been whipsawed by JA so don't tell me there has never been whipsaw!

I've read that SKW took aircraft from ASA during their contract negotiations, which is probably why the MEC felt compelled to negotiate for language to protect against that in the future. I wonder how much the pilots gave up for that? And why is it that only pilots from one company get furloughed while the other one doesn't? How is that fair? SKW has already whipsawed XJT and decimated us.

We've had both an ONT and LAX bases and they were both the most junior bases out of the six we had. All new hires got sent to those two bases.

I hope they run rather than to keep trying to trample over our contract. The reality is that JA wants to have two lists for one reason and that reason is not for the benefit of the pilots on either list!

They are meeting with JA this week and give him their position. There have been a couple of other blastmails that are more specific.

I don't mind fighting the battle for you guys and falling on my sword. Someone has to put their foot down and then maybe other will join. With that said, if it was just as easy to pick up the pieces in a couple of years, the geniuses in St. George would have taken that plan. The fact of the matter is that we have great value for SKW or anyone else including CAL. There is a reason why SKW is trying to buy us again. And if it comes to being liquidated, so be it. I rather do that than to continue enabling not only mainline management but now regional management to whipsaw us and cheer our race to the bottom.

JA is trying to trample thee most important part of our contract. If not this battle, then which one? Don't fall for the trick that we are too expensive. I don't get paid nearly enough for what I do. And giving JA two lists to play with only puts more downward pressure on our wages. Why would we willingly give him that tool?

I've got my lifeboat and it doesn't have SKW name on it.

If JA would treat us with dignity and respect by honoring our contract, you would get 2600 happy pilots. Otherwise he will get what he paid for.

This is for the lawyers to fight it out. But if not this battle, which battle will ever be more worth the fight?

And you would deny us pulling in the same direction as the best tactic under the Skywest umbrella? We have no patience for the learning curve of 1600 pilots to come in who don't get that.

I guess that's the price to pay for the CAL incumbency your management seems to treasure so much. ;)

It didn't get overturned. The court said that the case isn't ripe yet so the DFR lawsuit that AWA won still stands.


We don't get to vote on SLI.

Isn't it ironic that its mostly regional guys that give the mainline pilots for selling out scope but once you have a regional pilot group that is willing to fight for their scope, we have other regional pilots say things like, you should play nice, or cut your nose off to spite your face, or this is your lifeboat, or go ahead and fall on your sword, etc etc.

They(XJT pilot group) did once. That's why they aren't part of Skywest yet. The funny thing is you keep saying Skywest doesn't want XJT because they're a money losing operation and nobody wants their 50 seaters, yet here Skywest is trying to buy XJT AGAIN for a second time.

Amazing, isn't it?

Good point. It's no secret, XJT's financials don't look good. But the amount of equity XJT is going to bring to the table is quite considerable.

It would take SKY 5-7 years to create what XJT has at CAL, not to mention $100 millions to re-create 90% of XJT's in- festructure. There not going to walk, even if he has to integrate. He just got all this for $44 million when you take XJT's 90 million in the bank. I love how people think JA is loyal to SKY over all else, he is loyal only to $$$$[edit:deleted language] I am convinced he never went away from 3 years ago, he just waited while CAL bleed us to death and got it for half the 08 price. Guy is a about business, not pilot groups!!!

Not to mention he has a 10 year deal to control 70% of the flying at UAL that only goes into effect if the deal closes. Your on drugs if you think he is going to walk over integrating 20% of his pilots with the other 80%. CAL doesn't want to have to recreate XJT, they just hated the old management and wanted a new operator who was more predictable.

SKY will be Union in five years anyway!

Thats what people said also about AWAC and ACA.

Apples to oranges. The game has changed dramatically since then. Fee for Departure contracts where the Legacy takes all the risk are becoming less and less. The Legacys are now forcing the Regionals to take on more risk. They are no longer buying all their fuel and ordering hundreds of RJs. The growth that was experienced allowed ACA's feed to be replaced. That growth has come to a screeching halt, which is exactly why regionals are scrambling to buy each other. The pie is shrinking.

I'm not sure that's correct. During the earnings call Brad Rich was asked if the new 10 year CPA was a condition to the purchase of XJT, to which he responded no. That could mean that ASA still has a new CPA with Continental even if this deal falls through.

$108 in cash and restricted cash

I don't remember that. In fact, they did say that this deal is not contingent on the UAL/CAL merger.