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Old 09-09-2010 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by beeker
now CAL can make all their ewr to euro flights with just 2 pilots not just the one's blocked under 8 hours like now.
Only if the JCBA allows that.
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Old 09-09-2010 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
Exactly. UAL can do the same with many IAD flights. When ALPA suggested the 9 hour flight time/day I knew it had turned into a regional union.
I would suggest you actually go back and read what ALPA suggested. Yes there was a 9 hour max however only if scheduled in your body cycle. Non of the current flights to Europe fit that. In fact with the normal departure and arrival times in Europe the ALPA proposal restricts the flight time to 7 hours before a relief pilot has to be onboard. It will increase not decrease jobs and augmented flights.
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Old 09-09-2010 | 03:45 PM
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Heyas,

9 hours block
14 hour hard limit on duty
10-12 hours minimum rest behind the door depending on scheduled flight time
no reduced rest
pilots must be in base 10 hours prior to report

both management and pilots will oppose it, so it will be dead in the water and the FAA will say "told you so, don't tell us how to do our job"

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Old 09-09-2010 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas,

9 hours block
14 hour hard limit on duty
10-12 hours minimum rest behind the door depending on scheduled flight time
no reduced rest
pilots must be in base 10 hours prior to report

both management and pilots will oppose it, so it will be dead in the water and the FAA will say "told you so, don't tell us how to do our job"

Nu

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If those indeed are some of the new rules, I think they are a fair and a reasonable improvement. The only concern I see right off hand is, what constitutes "in base" for commuters. How many miles away? I hope that is not left to a companys' interpretation or we will all be sitting ready/hot reserve. Also, I hope AM to PM and vice versa schedules are addressed. Flipping your bodys clock around in a 24 hour period is fatiguing no matter how much time you have on the ground ie; 8 vs. 10-12. IMHO
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Old 09-09-2010 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by skippy
im surprised the rules havent been leaked--- they've been finalized and im pretty sure the airlines know what the new rules are-- as prob does alpa national.
we can expect exactly what the article says.
prob a 6 leg limit at the regionals
up to 10 hours of flying to allow transcon round trips during normal circadian rythm hours.
and less during red eye hours

i havent a clue whats going to happen with commuters- if anything.
I was hoping for 4 legs max and 12 hours of duty! I would also expect 12 hours min crew rest, this was a huge issue in the military and they did tons of studies on it and it was like A number one issue, we now have 12 hour mins per day, but again we can be on duty 24 hours in one day and fly 150 hrs a month! Max of 3 twenty four hour days in a row with min 12 hr crew rest, then you SHOULD get 36 hrs off.
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Old 09-09-2010 | 04:50 PM
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Why not a max of 10 hours duty and minimum of 10 hours rest like the Europeans do?
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Old 09-09-2010 | 05:12 PM
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Expect to have fewer days off and more days on the road...Be careful what you wish for....
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Old 09-09-2010 | 05:16 PM
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Expect to have fewer days off and more days on the road...Be careful what you wish for....

EXACTLY! I certainly hope this doesn't hurt our QOL like I believe it may.
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Old 09-09-2010 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 250 or point 65
EXACTLY! I certainly hope this doesn't hurt our QOL like I believe it may.
It will...and pilots will still be tired...We are our own worst enemy...
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Old 09-09-2010 | 05:24 PM
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I don't think many people realize that although laws may change, contracts won't. We will still be paid the same, we just end up with fewer hours of pay and fewer days off. Basically, its exactly what all of us bid against.
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