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FSUpilot 09-26-2010 04:52 AM

ASA hiring OTS
 
https://www2.ultirecruit.com/SKY1000...px?__VT=ExtCan

Just saw this posted on jet careers. Thought it funny no one here posted it yet. Someone also posted that by November hiring will be one interview for either XJT or ASA.

Good luck to all!

Oh and mins for the new posting are 1500 TT and 100 ME.

Ted Striker 09-26-2010 06:36 AM

It says that they are only a participating company on airlineapps? Does that still mean they are accepting resumes?

FSUpilot 09-26-2010 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by Ted Striker (Post 876269)
It says that they are only a participating company on airlineapps? Does that still mean they are accepting resumes?

I would imagine considering the posting was on Friday. But they want you to use airline apps to apply.

JetPipeOverht 09-26-2010 08:13 AM

Put your stuff in guys, we need you here, like Yesterday ...

FSUpilot 09-26-2010 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by JetPipeOverht (Post 876292)
Put your stuff in guys, we need you here, like Yesterday ...

My stuff is in. Anyone want to walk it in?;)

I see they lowered the multi requirement down to 100. Do they need people that bad? I figure it wouldn't be hard to find people with higher times.

flynavyj 09-26-2010 09:25 AM

Might just be hard finding people with higher times wanting to sit reserve in an unstable economy for 20k/yr. I think there's numbers of hightime guys around, many have callbacks for the majors still, have found other temporary work, or they've found another flying gig that'll pay the bills...I personally think $$ and cents will keep lots of guys out of the biz. But maybe that's just me talking.

goaround2000 09-26-2010 10:35 AM

Guys, also please be mindful, that per the transitional agreement, any pilot hired at either XJT or ASA after August 4th of this year will go to the bottom of the combined list. This does not include furloughed guys coming back, just off the street folks post 9/4/2010.

squaretail 09-26-2010 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 876327)
Guys, also please be mindful, that per the transitional agreement, any pilot hired at either XJT or ASA after August 4th of this year will go to the bottom of the combined list. This does not include furloughed guys coming back, just off the street folks post 9/4/2010.

Just to remind you... as if being on the bottom of a regional seniority list isn't bad enough... it's worse!!

goaround2000 09-26-2010 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 876330)
Just to remind you... as if being on the bottom of a regional seniority list isn't bad enough... it's worse!!

I'm not quite following you, but I was simply giving the potential new hires a heads up that they will be at the bottom of a 4000+ pilot list. We were all new once, and they may think (out of ignorance not malice) that they will be part of the integration involving the folks on property prior to August 4th, and they won't. This has already been agreed to by both MEC's and will be signed this month by Brad Holt and company as part of the transitional agreement.

AtlCSIP 09-26-2010 11:07 AM

Already interviewed
 
Ok guys, here is the story. ASA tried to fill a class with XJet furloughees, but couldn't, for whatever reason. They already had a class set up for October 11th, so they went into warp speed hire mode. I interviewed on Friday morning with 3 other people. First interviews in about 18 months. We all did the Sim ride yesterday. The guys interviewing are not looking at Airline Apps unless your stuff has already been walked in by someone else (mine was). They are specifically looking for local (Atlanta plus or minus 2 hours or so) people so that everything can be expedited in time for the October 11th class date.

For what it's worth, 4 interviewed on Friday, 3 interviewed on Saturday, the lowest total time was just over 2000 hours with over 400 hours multi engine. About half had prior turbine and 2 were prior 121. The youngest was about 25 and the oldest was 55 with the other 5 pretty neatly dispursed throughout those 2 ages. All 7 had instructed at some point, two had been Chief Pilots somewhere and one had been an Assistant Chief Pilot. One was former ASA who had gone to Continental and didn't like it, so decided to come back (That was weird to me too, but different strokes for different folks).

Short story is that they only need 15 right now and have 15 interviewees already set up through Wednesday. Although there are no other classes currently set up right now, they are understaffed and anticipate additional hiring soon, as long as the moon and the stars and the planets line up properly and everyone holds their ear just right while balancing on one foot with a half full wine glass balanced on their head (just kidding about that part). If you want in, your best shot right now is someone inside walking your resume in and being in Atlanta. If you can't get your resume walked in by Monday or Tuesday, you are probably looking at the next round.

Good Luck!

squaretail 09-26-2010 11:13 AM


I'm not quite following you, but I was simply giving the potential new hires a heads up that they will be at the bottom of a 4000+ pilot list. We were all new once, and they may think (out of ignorance not malice) that they will be part of the integration involving the folks on property prior to August 4th, and they won't. This has already been agreed to by both MEC's and will be signed this month by Brad Holt and company as part of the transitional agreement.
I guess my point is that you are on the bottom of a seniority list. That's it. There are a lot of high time pilots furloughed, about to be furloughed, or laid off that may want to take ASA up on an interview. They may actually attract a higher quality applicant than the 800&2 of the past -- or even higher quality than the guy sitting to the left of them.

Your post just seems to want to discourage people from applying not encourage them. Here's an example of what I mean: on another forum of this website there is a post that begins with, "I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...". Well, obviously, the poster actually did not mind being the bearer of bad news or he/she would have kept their keyboard idle.

Sincerely, apologies for my sarcasm.

goaround2000 09-26-2010 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 876339)
I guess my point is that you are on the bottom of a seniority list. That's it. There are a lot of high time pilots furloughed, about to be furloughed, or laid off that may want to take ASA up on an interview. They may actually attract a higher quality applicant than the 800&2 of the past -- or even higher quality than the guy sitting to the left of them.

Your post just seem to want to discourage people from applying not encourage them. Here's an example of what I mean: on another forum of this website there is a post that begins with, "I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...". Well, obviously, the poster actually did not mind being the bearer of bad news or he/she would have kept their keyboard idle.

Sincerely, apologies for my sarcasm.

No worries, I'm not trying to pass on bad news. I think it's great that ASA is hiring, more folks below me when it's all said and done, more job security for those of us that have been here for a few years now. Regardless of what method of integration they chose I will be sitting at about 50% of the combined list (maybe a little higher depending on a number of factors) so whether we hire or not is a bit irrelevant. However, it's important for folks to have all the facts when they're getting hired, particularly if they're coming on board in the middle of a merger. Either way, it's probably a good time to come on board before the flood gates open up in the next few years.

squaretail 09-26-2010 11:22 AM

Two good companies coming together. I imagine their future will be bright.

goaround2000 09-26-2010 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 876344)
Two good companies coming together. I imagine their future will be bright.

One can only hope. Here's to movement in the next couple of years.

Banshee365 09-26-2010 01:20 PM

Why didn't the company call the guy's that were in the pool earlier in 2008?

newarkblows 09-26-2010 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by squaretail (Post 876344)
Two good companies coming together. I imagine their future will be bright.

Better way to put that is two good pilot groups coming together. I dont know enough about ASA management but the past year with XJT management has been a fiasco. Remember that snowstorm mid February 2010 that hit NY? That is when the wheels fell off and no one cared enough to put them back on.

I really liked XJT but it had a very poor outlook for the future, just recently started treating its employees like they were garbage, and management completely stopped communicating with the average joe flying the line.

I am looking forward to a management that actually cares again and can be competitive.

JetPipeOverht 09-26-2010 02:21 PM

Pool was prob. purged at some point, ( stupid move, I know ) and now the company is trying to solve our appropriate staffing level issue in the near future...

Spoilers 09-26-2010 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 876337)
One was former ASA who had gone to Continental and didn't like it, so decided to come back (That was weird to me too, but different strokes for different folks).

Didn't like it, eh? Probably more like fired, furloughed, etc.

DL31082 09-26-2010 02:58 PM

I put my stuff in and I live in Atlanta. I don't have anyone to walk it in and I'm kinda low time so I'm not going to hold my breath. Good luck to everyone.

unit monster 09-26-2010 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 876337)
Ok guys, here is the story. ASA tried to fill a class with XJet furloughees, but couldn't, for whatever reason. They already had a class set up for October 11th, so they went into warp speed hire mode. I interviewed on Friday morning with 3 other people. First interviews in about 18 months. We all did the Sim ride yesterday. The guys interviewing are not looking at Airline Apps unless your stuff has already been walked in by someone else (mine was). They are specifically looking for local (Atlanta plus or minus 2 hours or so) people so that everything can be expedited in time for the October 11th class date.

For what it's worth, 4 interviewed on Friday, 3 interviewed on Saturday, the lowest total time was just over 2000 hours with over 400 hours multi engine. About half had prior turbine and 2 were prior 121. The youngest was about 25 and the oldest was 55 with the other 5 pretty neatly dispursed throughout those 2 ages. All 7 had instructed at some point, two had been Chief Pilots somewhere and one had been an Assistant Chief Pilot. One was former ASA who had gone to Continental and didn't like it, so decided to come back (That was weird to me too, but different strokes for different folks).

Short story is that they only need 15 right now and have 15 interviewees already set up through Wednesday. Although there are no other classes currently set up right now, they are understaffed and anticipate additional hiring soon, as long as the moon and the stars and the planets line up properly and everyone holds their ear just right while balancing on one foot with a half full wine glass balanced on their head (just kidding about that part). If you want in, your best shot right now is someone inside walking your resume in and being in Atlanta. If you can't get your resume walked in by Monday or Tuesday, you are probably looking at the next round.

Good Luck!

very interesting! Who was doing the interviews? You could message me if you don't feel comfortable posting that information.

AtlCSIP 09-26-2010 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by unit monster (Post 876420)
very interesting! Who was doing the interviews? You could message me if you don't feel comfortable posting that information.

Two retired guys who were responsible for hiring before were brought back for 3 weeks.

ysslah 09-26-2010 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 876460)
Two retired guys who were responsible for hiring before were brought back for 3 weeks.

Was one of them D. R. ?

bradeku1008 09-26-2010 07:30 PM

From what I understand a great company..hope for a phone call

AtlCSIP 09-26-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by ysslah (Post 876534)
Was one of them D. R. ?

Yes. He was baling hay one day, and back at ASA the next!

Spoilers 09-27-2010 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 876554)
From what I understand a great company..hope for a phone call

Didn't you just start at Colgan?

EWRflyr 09-27-2010 05:22 AM


One was former ASA who had gone to Continental and didn't like it, so decided to come back (That was weird to me too, but different strokes for different folks).

Didn't like it, eh? Probably more like fired, furloughed, etc.
Before your probationary period is up, they will give you a chance to "resign" so nothing is on your record for future aviation jobs. This way you can say in an interview that you resigned for whatever reason you want and there is no way to find out. Essentially you are correct in your first assumption though.

bradeku1008 09-27-2010 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by Spoilers (Post 876645)
Didn't you just start at Colgan?

Yea. I'm having fun here at 9l but with asa I have the oppertunity to overnight at my house more than one night a week. Creating 4 to 5 nights I would get to sleep in my own bed. Sometimes the same crew does it all week. More time at home and getting to see my family is worth starting over.

Spoilers 09-27-2010 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 876841)
Yea. I'm having fun here at 9l but with asa I have the oppertunity to overnight at my house more than one night a week.

Is that how people chose which airline to go to these days? Based on overnights? LOL. That's a new one to me.

unit monster 09-27-2010 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 876841)
Yea. I'm having fun here at 9l but with asa I have the oppertunity to overnight at my house more than one night a week. Creating 4 to 5 nights I would get to sleep in my own bed. Sometimes the same crew does it all week. More time at home and getting to see my family is worth starting over.


I'm sorry to burst your bubble - but I think you need to reevaluate your reason for coming to ASA. It is highly doubtful that you will get any overnight more than once a week. Once or twice a month, yes.

Also as a new hire you will have almost zero say in your schedule. There are junior FOs that have been at the whim of scheduling for almost three years.

Not trying to come off as a d**k - just want you to have the facts.

afterburn81 09-27-2010 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 876841)
Yea. I'm having fun here at 9l but with asa I have the oppertunity to overnight at my house more than one night a week. Creating 4 to 5 nights I would get to sleep in my own bed. Sometimes the same crew does it all week. More time at home and getting to see my family is worth starting over.

Yeah, please don't get us wrong but I hope there are many other factors that you choose Atlantic Southeast. One thing that I just really started to think about is how incredibly large the pilot group will be after this merge. Atlantic Southeast has become a place that pilots consider a career company. Yeah, people complain just like at any other job but it has a lot to offer as far as a regional goes.

It will be a pretty secure place to work and really always has been. Those furloughs that happened recently were the only ones in the history of the company. And everyone here could probably agree that they never should have happened. Management saw everyone else furloughing and decided they would do it too. Right now it has caused more hurt than good back when times were tight.

So to make a long story short, anyone that becomes newly hired and is at the bottom of the list (1%) after the merger needs to expect very little movement if any. Reserve at a regional is like night and day to reserve at a major. Plus you get paid a mostly livable wage at a major compared to years 1-4 at a regional. I can't imagine being stuck on reserve for 5-7 years at a regional but for anyone newly hired I hope we can negotiate something in favor of them. If you can make it past that, maybe upgrading might happen before 12th year pay.

I'm sure after people are stuck on reserve for that long, they would start dropping like flies and the company probably couldn't fill the positions fast enough so something would have to give.

PM if you need any help.

bradeku1008 09-27-2010 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by unit monster (Post 876899)
I'm sorry to burst your bubble - but I think you need to reevaluate your reason for coming to ASA. It is highly doubtful that you will get any overnight more than once a week. Once or twice a month, yes.

Also as a new hire you will have almost zero say in your schedule. There are junior FOs that have been at the whim of scheduling for almost three years.

Not trying to come off as a d**k - just want you to have the facts.

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O no I understand. I am making it sound like the only reason why I'm going to try to go to asa is the being at home overnights. That's kinda ridiculous if it was the only reason. I know about the sitting of rsv and not having a line for a long time but id rather be with a company that is moving forward..have aircraft that don't break down every other leg
..a good contract..good training..and a stable place to work. Asa has a good reputation in the airline world and everyone iv jumpseated with has all said they enjoy working for them..even the junior just off of furlough guys.

IrishTiger 09-27-2010 10:45 AM

Wow for me it would be great. I live in Atlanta. I've been commuting for the better part of 4 years. I'd love for that to end!

JetPipeOverht 09-27-2010 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 877074)
.
O no I understand. I am making it sound like the only reason why I'm going to try to go to asa is the being at home overnights. That's kinda ridiculous if it was the only reason. I know about the sitting of rsv and not having a line for a long time but id rather be with a company that is moving forward..have aircraft that don't break down every other leg
..a good contract..good training..and a stable place to work. Asa has a good reputation in the airline world and everyone iv jumpseated with has all said they enjoy working for them..even the junior just off of furlough guys.

The company is pretty good and the training is top notch and we seem to certainly be moving forward as you put it and big things always seem to be on the tip of the tongue of management all the time....Once we get some more people onboard morale will improve no doubt....Best of luck !

johnpeace 09-28-2010 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by flynavyj (Post 876306)
Might just be hard finding people with higher times wanting to sit reserve in an unstable economy for 20k/yr...

Right, the stack of resumes on DR's desk is only neck deep...

atpwannabe 09-28-2010 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by AtlCSIP (Post 876337)
For what it's worth, 4 interviewed on Friday, 3 interviewed on Saturday, the lowest total time was just over 2000 hours with over 400 hours multi engine. About half had prior turbine and 2 were prior 121. The youngest was about 25 and the oldest was 55 with the other 5 pretty neatly dispursed throughout those 2 ages. All 7 had instructed at some point, two had been Chief Pilots somewhere and one had been an Assistant Chief Pilot. One was former ASA who had gone to Continental and didn't like it, so decided to come back (That was weird to me too, but different strokes for different folks).


Good Luck!


That's encouraging news!



atp

pullforexit 09-28-2010 02:45 PM

Got the call today for interview this week. Oct 11 class if I pass the interview. No internal rec. But I am ATL local.

johnpeace 09-28-2010 04:27 PM

Does anyone here know someone in the class that started yesterday?

Can you tell me (PM is fine) what the equipment assignment breakdown for that class was?

Woxof 09-28-2010 05:24 PM

The newhire class is all CL-600-2b19 (CRJ200) initial training. After they complete that, it is possible they could attend CRJ700/900 differences, but I do not know in which aircraft their are vacancies.

On the good news front, there should have been a posting for 31 (ish) CRJ200 captain positions today.

Movement is always a good thing.

ConnectionPilot 09-28-2010 06:48 PM

For those that have interviewed recently, do you have some information on it or a gouge perhaps? PM me. thanks!

AtlCSIP 09-28-2010 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by ConnectionPilot (Post 877927)
For those that have interviewed recently, do you have some information on it or a gouge perhaps? PM me. thanks!

All the old gouge information is spot on. They have not changed a thing.


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