Foreign pilots
09-29-2010 | 05:38 PM
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I feel the same about a lot of semi-skilled positions I've worked in, the immigrants are here to make a buck, not because I couldn't do the job as well or better. life isn't always fair.
09-29-2010 | 05:43 PM
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That is just preposterous. Please explain exactly how the seniority system is to blame for furloughs.
09-29-2010 | 07:57 PM
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sighs....I don't blame you for being so uninformed because everyone seems to think the same. It's no different in Europe than it is here. If you have a green card (permanent resident) for that country, you can work for the airline. Lufthansa, for example, requires permanent residency (NOT citizenship) and fluency in German. It's the same here in the US. If you have a green card and can speak English, you can fly for the airlines.
edit: reference page 2...http://www.be-lufthansa.com/fileadmi...LH_E_Pilot.pdf
edit: reference page 2...http://www.be-lufthansa.com/fileadmi...LH_E_Pilot.pdf
Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....
Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.
And before you spout off about Emirates et al. I am talking about professional flying in Western Europe and Australia specifically, not some Third World country or 12th Century throwback city.
09-29-2010 | 08:41 PM
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Sighs, eh?
Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....
Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.
And before you spout off about Emirates et al. I am talking about professional flying in Western Europe and Australia specifically, not some Third World country or 12th Century throwback city.
Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....
Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.
And before you spout off about Emirates et al. I am talking about professional flying in Western Europe and Australia specifically, not some Third World country or 12th Century throwback city.
09-29-2010 | 08:42 PM
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Go to Canada and pay $100, take a test and voila you have a CDN ATPL.
If you have a right to work in Canada you are set.
It cost me $4000 to convert my license from Canada to the USA. Mind you that was 10 years ago and the US Regs were a bit different.
15 years ago if you came from Europe and had a ATPL you would get a FAA commercial with a stamp on it that said "Not for Hire". You would then have to take a flight test and written to get the restriction removed.
I don't know why the regs changed, or for what reason. Maybe to increase revenue for flight schools in the US. Tighter regulations is doing nothing for GA in Europe. Maybe we should be thankful for the income of foreign students.
If you have a right to work in Canada you are set.
It cost me $4000 to convert my license from Canada to the USA. Mind you that was 10 years ago and the US Regs were a bit different.
15 years ago if you came from Europe and had a ATPL you would get a FAA commercial with a stamp on it that said "Not for Hire". You would then have to take a flight test and written to get the restriction removed.
I don't know why the regs changed, or for what reason. Maybe to increase revenue for flight schools in the US. Tighter regulations is doing nothing for GA in Europe. Maybe we should be thankful for the income of foreign students.
09-29-2010 | 09:11 PM
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Hi!
If U want to work in the US, you need a green card and FAA license. If a company really, really wants to hire a Euro pilot, with no green card, and no FAA license, and they know all the right people....it still won't help. no job for that guy.
On the other hand, if a certain Euro company wants to hire an American with no right-to-work/EU citizenship, and no JAA license, they CAN get them a work permit and have their license converted to JAA.
So, it is POSSIBLE for an American to get a Euro job, and there is 0% chance a Euro guy will get a US job.
If someone is legally entitled to a US job (green card/citizenship and FAA license), it should not (and does not) matter where they were born, what their citizenship is, or what is their first language.
cliff
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If U want to work in the US, you need a green card and FAA license. If a company really, really wants to hire a Euro pilot, with no green card, and no FAA license, and they know all the right people....it still won't help. no job for that guy.
On the other hand, if a certain Euro company wants to hire an American with no right-to-work/EU citizenship, and no JAA license, they CAN get them a work permit and have their license converted to JAA.
So, it is POSSIBLE for an American to get a Euro job, and there is 0% chance a Euro guy will get a US job.
If someone is legally entitled to a US job (green card/citizenship and FAA license), it should not (and does not) matter where they were born, what their citizenship is, or what is their first language.
cliff
MIA
09-30-2010 | 07:37 AM
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I came to the USA from Canada in 1990 as an RN during a significant nursing shortage. By 1992 I had my Perminent Resident status (Green Card) and started flight training shortly after.18 years later I am still a Canadian citizen and though I cannot vote, I still do not want to change my citizenship. I still occasionally get the "you are taking jobs from Americans" yet I have faithfully paid my taxes and have helped to save the lives of more than a few Americans. This country was built on legal immigration, and it is what continues to make it great.
"We got into space thanks to German rocket scientists and Canadian aerospace engineers" G. Krantz
"We got into space thanks to German rocket scientists and Canadian aerospace engineers" G. Krantz
09-30-2010 | 07:48 AM
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Before you attack the OP, why don't you try and explain to me the inequity of transfering certificates between JAA and FAA? I don't think that you can. I know that when I fly a 172 in Ireland (for fun), my FAA ATP grants me a whopping PPL with day privleges only.... Meanwhile, the JAA pilot can go to a FSDO and AUTOMATICALLY be crossdecked with a Commercial certificate. One written and BAM, Instrument rating. One more written and checkride, ATP.....
Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.
Meanwhile, the FAA pilot, regardless of rating, has to start from square one in Europe.
Also if you if have an FAA commercial they credit you 200 hours of study toward your JAA... not square one.
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