Will PNCL go a decade without a contract???
10-20-2010, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
Are you hearing they are going to split pay scales? With Mesaba's seniority list being upside down this could have some negative repercussions. One of those being 900 junior FOs being immediately displaced with the possibility of a pay cut for those FOs. If everyone is reported to make small gains in this deal as well as keeping their current equipment seat, a split FO rate could upset this balance. It would not surprise me if they did not split FO rates.
10-20-2010, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BarbieTrash
You always have the right to strike... I believe you guys and gals have earned it after 7 years.
10-20-2010, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bored
Jayray - they are indeed proposing to split the pay scales. Unfortunately we'll just have to deal with the repercussions (senior saab guys making less than junior 900 guys). This has to be done now and small sacrifices like this will allow huge gains overall. I really hope they don't compromise on this, but the company could be a stumbling block here. However, if it means accepting 75% DH pay, lower perdiem and trivial little things all to get the payscales split, I'll be all for that.
I suspect the company tries to get the union to agree to dual qual. Secondly, Jayray that's the seniority system and how it works. For the last year and change the guys still on the Saab have been making less and dealing with drastically worse schedules because of the Saabs going away; the guys/gals on the jets have artificially enjoyed better pay and schedules due to the different fleet types. Overall the split of the FO scales is better for us as a whole and your seniority will dictate what you can bid as it always has.
10-20-2010, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
I suspect the company tries to get the union to agree to dual qual. Secondly, Jayray that's the seniority system and how it works. For the last year and change the guys still on the Saab have been making less and dealing with drastically worse schedules because of the Saabs going away; the guys/gals on the jets have artificially enjoyed better pay and schedules due to the different fleet types. Overall the split of the FO scales is better for us as a whole and your seniority will dictate what you can bid as it always has.
10-20-2010, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jayray2
Are you hearing they are going to split pay scales? With Mesaba's seniority list being upside down this could have some negative repercussions. One of those being 900 junior FOs being immediately displaced with the possibility of a pay cut for those FOs. If everyone is reported to make small gains in this deal as well as keeping their current equipment seat, a split FO rate could upset this balance. It would not surprise me if they did not split FO rates.
Split rate is necessary, XJ management has riden the backs of the FOs for years because of that combined rate.
10-20-2010, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
There won't be displacements because of this because it won't come to a free for all bid, if senior FOs bid the 900 slots there would have to be a vacancy and they would probably incur a seat lock.
Split rate is necessary, XJ management has riden the backs of the FOs for years because of that combined rate.
Split rate is necessary, XJ management has riden the backs of the FOs for years because of that combined rate.
I think he is referring to all the Saab FO's that will be displaced with the Saabs going away and subsequently bidding new positions.
10-20-2010, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
I think he is referring to all the Saab FO's that will be displaced with the Saabs going away and subsequently bidding new positions.
And depending on when that happens and the quality of our displacement rights, most of the senior FOs will probably take Saab Captain slots and Q400 Captain slots not 900 FO.
10-21-2010, 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
I thought about that too, but that's going to happen regardless, not because of split rates on FOs.
And depending on when that happens and the quality of our displacement rights, most of the senior FOs will probably take Saab Captain slots and Q400 Captain slots not 900 FO.
And depending on when that happens and the quality of our displacement rights, most of the senior FOs will probably take Saab Captain slots and Q400 Captain slots not 900 FO.
That may be true in the other bases but I know most of the MSP FO's won't upgrade unless it's in MSP.
10-21-2010, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Lone Palm
That may be true in the other bases but I know most of the MSP FO's won't upgrade unless it's in MSP.
But everybody has their own situation.
10-21-2010, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
We'll see, passing up an upgrade is a risky business.
But everybody has their own situation.
But everybody has their own situation.
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