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Originally Posted by odog1121 (Post 906850)

Why instead of more ground delays or in flight speed restrictions, when we get to within 20 miles of EWR, approach have us zig zag for about 30 minutes for spacing before we can actually set up for the final approach, even in perfect weather.

We are trying to maximize the amount of traffic we can handle. Ground stops can only acomplish so much. We do slow you down, but even then that is often not enough. there is also many arrival fixes feeding us, and we have to string you all into one big conga line. If you were all coming from the same direction, you wouldn't be getting zig zagged as much.

Just to expand a little more on this. If traffic volume is at a point where you're getting zig zagged all over New Jersey, chances are...we're about to go in a hold, if we aren't holding behind you already. We'll zig zag some to accomodate as many aircraft in our airspace as we can safely manage, but once those limites get tested, we don't hesitate to go in a hold. Question for you is...do you rather spend 10 to 15 minutes in a holding pattern or zig zagging over NJ? which one do you think will get you to land faster? I ask myself this many times when I have to vector somebody off the PHLBO to the east to make room for one or 2 extra PENNS arrivals. We are always trying to favor the arrival fix that has the MOST inbounds, so as to minimize the impact a hold will have.

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 906858)

Is it true that under "normal" weather type days, like low winds, due to EWR's runway configuration, they pretty much determine what arrival/departure flow of both LGA and JFK?

Also, does LGA have the smallest chunk of airspace for the approach controllers to work with? I know, it's the "smallest" of the NY airports. But the 2 years I was based there, it was still pretty busy. Especially before the March 01 "slottery".

LGA does indeed have the smallest chunk of airspace, as they're sandwiched in between EWR and JFK's airspace.

Its the other way around. EWR doesnt determine what LGA or JFK do, but JFK does determine what LGA does.

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Originally Posted by OnMyWay (Post 906892)

Any chance you know someone from CLT who can come on here and answer some questions?

no...srry, I don't have any current contacts in CLT, but I'll see what I can do to get one to post here.

why cant they consistently land two runways in ewr?

why does ewr ALWAYS get the worst of the delays?

Nice, thanks for that information.

Are you working tomorrow? Listen for CJC3263 around 1500, ive got a tight commute and could use the help!

what a great thread-long overdue. perhaps you can continue to post some of the things that we pilots inadvertantly do, that inevitably drive you guys and gals crazy?

How about

"See you next time" ???

any problems with me saying that??

Can we bulldoze all 3 airports... heck add TEB too. all 4 airports into the ocean and rebuild one functional DFW/DAL style layout for everyone in the area???

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Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 906899)

Honestly I'd rather hold off boarding another 45 minutes at Chicago and when I get to EWR, I'd like to go straight in due to time served. It's a lot of fuel wasted everyday zig zagging or holding.

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Originally Posted by OnMyWay (Post 906892)

Any chance you know someone from CLT who can come on here and answer some questions?

Yeah, can someone get the 'Auctioneer' up in here to ramble off some answers real quick about the 'Queen? It's always enjoyable coming into CLT when he's on the air. :D