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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907171)

You guys do an awesome job. I spent some time at Jetlink, & am with DAL now. You guys move tons of metal even with WX, & make it look easy. And as busy as you guys/gals get you're always some of the most pleasant controllers out there. Wish I could say the same for your Washington Center folk. They seem cranky a lot.

I flew the DC9 with NWA, & it was always fun leaving EWR & getting cleared to an intersection(GREKI I think) and having to respond 'Well I love to do that for you Sir, but we are a /Antique. ;)

Response was usually a chuckle followed by 'Fly heading XXX Direct CFB when able'. :D

hehe good ol' DC9's. Good to hear you're moving up. There are a few of the local regional pilots that I've stayed in touch over the years, and its always awesome when one of them suddenly checks in flying a wide body for a major after many years of flying the regionals. Its a rite of passage that I'm sure all of you can relate.

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Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 907176)

No WB for me yet, but I am on the A320 so I can at least go direct to an intersection for ya now. ;) :D

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 907180)

No WB for me yet, but I am on the A320 so I can at least go direct to an intersection for ya now. ;) :D

right on!

Well, off to work I go. Stay safe!

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Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 907152)

My colleague summed it up nicely. A lot of the zig zagging is done to make small space adjustments now.

Vector to get the miles, assign speeds to maintain it.

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Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 906832)

We have all heard of "penalty" vectors.

Is this an urban legend or if a pilot is excessively rude or demeaning or demanding or non compliant or all of the above will a pilot be denied something just because you are sick of them or given an off route vector or slowed down or the like?

I would imagine no in your airspace just since there is no where to put them but ive heard some real winners on the radio before and always wondered if ATC has a way to retaliate.

Of course you would NEVER do this but have you heard of this ever being done before?

No thats because on holidays like News Years for example when CAL or AAL sends a case of Korbel to N90... Pinnacle sends Champagne to themselves for all the money they have saved by paying us dirt for a year.
That = CAL091 proceed direct EWR... Colagn4456 fly heading 180 Ill get back to you in an hour

LGA has 2 runways and can handle arrivals on one and departures on the other.

JFK has 4 runways and can handle arrivals on one and departures on the other.

So my question - Why does JFK always have 2 idle runways?

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Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 907404)

Although I work in EWR, my understanding of this is that JFK can only land simultaneous side by side IRF arrivals on the 31's, but because the 31's are not that far apart and that requires the 2 final monitor positions to be staffed at the Tracon, as well as extra staffing on the tower. They can run staggered 31's, as well as staggered 22's, but these require vfr wx so visual separation can be used, and thus are very complex operations due to the extra heavy chatter needed (controller has to first call traffic to each arrival, wait for the "we have it in sight" reply, then issue the "maintain visual separation, follow that traffic blah blah blah), while that is normal verbiage for 1 runway operation running visuals, when you double the traffic in a congested airport like this, it becomes almost too much to handle by one controller, and you can't split that into 2 finals due to the close proximity of the finals.

The difference between the NY airports and places like DFW, or ATL to name but 2 examples is that in those places the parallels are WAY farther apart, and they can legally run side by side operations without the need to have final monitors, or use visual separation, and usually involve different controllers working different finals with plenty of room to operate within their own airspace.

Hmmm... I could be wrong but I don't think 9L and 8R are 3 miles apart?

I'm confused..

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Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse (Post 907412)

Hmmm... I could be wrong but I don't think 9L and 8R are 3 miles apart?

I'm confused..

ATL has PRM, JFK does not

Is there a "priority" list for when the weather goes down? i.e. international arrivals have priority, followed by mainline, regionals, etc?