Alright. I like you guys.

 

Compared to the rest of the World...it is the best. Go to Europe or Canada and see how well their "system" works.

 

Not that I disagree with your comment, but I do disagree with how you said it.

France's system is a world away from the UKs which is a world away from Sweden's which is a world away from most of the other european systems.

Europe isn't a country yet, and believe it or not there is still a lot of contrast between governments and government run programs

 

No...

Touching. Squeezing. Arresting.

 

Is anyone going to reveal how much 2nd year pay at TSA is?

I know that at my regional airline, while first year pay was very low, it increased considerably the next year.

At some point, we'll upgrade to captain and it'll increase significantly again.

While I can see how exciting and sensational it is to draw direct comparisons to starting pay for each group...using that comparison to suggest that their compensation is similar is tilting toward disingenuous.

Besides, why should it surprise anyone that a government monopoly's employees are over-compensated? I personally wouldn't work there for any amount of money...

 

Politics removed. Please keep on the forum issue of TSA pay. Thanks.

 

You are paid for the value you bring to a job. That amount is negotiated with the employer when hired or you ask for a raise. In our case we use collective bargaining to establish our pay rates. Do not complain about your current wages. They are set by you and your piers. If you want more money, vote no on the next CBA and be willing to go on strike.
TSA pay and Pilot pay are not connected and should be compared. If you as a regional pilot have a problem with being paid poorly after thousands of dollars in education and years of labor, don’t do it. Go work for the TSA.
As for the TSA becoming Union, my thoughts on that are the same as every government union. First, the must be regulated in the same sense that the ATC workers are under, that there may not be a strike, ever. Second, let them negotiate their CBA with their employer, us. Put the entire thing with pay raises and money allocations and budget up for a vote in November.
As for the TSA going with an AFL-CIO union, I protest. On an overnight that has the actual communist network, RT, Richard Trumka was touting how we must move away from our broken republic and progress to one world governance and socialism. That in my book sounds pretty scary.

 

Pause,
You can't be serious with that statement? I have NEVER met someone who had access to either Canada's or their native country in Europe for the system we have in the USA.They all would much rather keep theirs, thank you very much!

We, in the USA, have a superb system for an elite few. We have a decent system for those with good group plans through their employer. For the rest..not so much.( we are the only "advanced" country in the world where you can go bankrupt by getting sick)

Assuming you are the average Joe working for a big employer with a decent group plan, it still will cost you a fortune for your health care over the course of your career. No other country pays anywhere near what we do for health care and gets so little in return. (healthcare absorbs 15 to 18% of GDP, depending where you read). Health insurance cost is the number one reason as to why people quit their small business experiment and return to the "mainstream" job market. It is also a driving force as to why large US companies have difficulty competing with foreign companies. Volkswagon doesn't have to worry about how to fund it's employee and retiree health plans..its already built into the mix. It is also a huge incentive for Ford, GM etc to build plants in Canada and Mexico..they don't have to pay extra for their employees health insurance in those countrys.
I could go on..those are just a couple items.
The point is that the idea that we have a better health care system than Canada or any European country I am familiar with is simply ludicrous.

 

This shouldn't come as a surprise. Many transportation support jobs get payed more than the pilots. A lot of rampers, TSA, cleaners/groomers and caterers, to name a few jobs, get paid more than the pilots. Another support job, ATC, get paid waaay more than the pilots.

It's a strange thing - akin to professional sports, whereby the coach attempts to discipline his players - all of whom are being paid more than the coach.

 

On behalf of the TSA screener, I don't think they get paid (payed for those of you in Rio Linda) enough for what they now have to do - intensive patdowns, et cetera. Imagine having to do that all day. I would be having nightmares. They will all end up with PTSD before this is all finished.