Information on PBS
01-25-2011 | 08:33 AM
#11
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1. ASA
2. 70%
3. Never had vacation without being on reserve, but got 22 days off in a row on my PBS practice bid with one week of vacation.
4. Got my 3rd and 4th preference on this PBS bid so yes
5. So far PBS has been great. Way more flexibility than line bidding. ASA had 3 transition days at the beginning of the month(I understand XJT has 6!
) that is finally gone with PBS. I feel with PBS you can get a better schedule than line bidding while it takes less time to bid.
2. 70%
3. Never had vacation without being on reserve, but got 22 days off in a row on my PBS practice bid with one week of vacation.
4. Got my 3rd and 4th preference on this PBS bid so yes
5. So far PBS has been great. Way more flexibility than line bidding. ASA had 3 transition days at the beginning of the month(I understand XJT has 6!
) that is finally gone with PBS. I feel with PBS you can get a better schedule than line bidding while it takes less time to bid.
01-25-2011 | 08:52 AM
#12
Line Holder
Joined: Mar 2006
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From: 717 FO
SkyWest
I bid 35%
As far as vacation goes, if you don't mind keeping a weekends off schedule or don't mind working a lot in one part of the month, you could get huge blocks of days off on both sides of your vacation. I'm talking blocks of 10 days straight on both sides of your 7 day vacation if it falls on the first or last week of the month. That would get you 27 days off in a row. I like to keep a weekends off schedule so I'll usually end up with 10-11 days off with 1 week of vacation.
I almost always get commutable 4 day trips with weekends off. My seniority can't hold the weekday trips that go out to the west coast so I don't bid specifically for those. With PBS put what you want as your first choice but then use the next options (we call them layers) to bid more realistically.
PBS is great when we are properly staffed. People complain when they start getting way more credit than they want or have to work a certain day that they usually can get off.
I bid 35%
As far as vacation goes, if you don't mind keeping a weekends off schedule or don't mind working a lot in one part of the month, you could get huge blocks of days off on both sides of your vacation. I'm talking blocks of 10 days straight on both sides of your 7 day vacation if it falls on the first or last week of the month. That would get you 27 days off in a row. I like to keep a weekends off schedule so I'll usually end up with 10-11 days off with 1 week of vacation.
I almost always get commutable 4 day trips with weekends off. My seniority can't hold the weekday trips that go out to the west coast so I don't bid specifically for those. With PBS put what you want as your first choice but then use the next options (we call them layers) to bid more realistically.
PBS is great when we are properly staffed. People complain when they start getting way more credit than they want or have to work a certain day that they usually can get off.
01-25-2011 | 09:36 AM
#13
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2011
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From: A320 FO
Lonestar, I am going to credit you and post a link to this thread on the crackpipe. I am sure you'll agree that they shoudl see this. Thank you for asking specific questions. This provides a much more useful study of PBS. Thanks to all the pilots that answer this survey. It means a lot to all of us XJT guys.
01-25-2011 | 11:53 AM
#14
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From: I can fly.....I'm a pilot
1) ASA
2) Close to the Bottom 10%
3) Have not used vacation with PBS yet, that will come in October. Did see quite a few guys when I looked through a lot of the awards with lots of days off around their vacation
4) for Feb I got 4 4days with 14 days off, wanted the Super Bowl off and I got the 5th-13th off. 77 hours of credit. Could pick up something in that week off but I have some things I need to get done.
5) I am happy it got me off reserve right now.....we shall see what the future holds
2) Close to the Bottom 10%
3) Have not used vacation with PBS yet, that will come in October. Did see quite a few guys when I looked through a lot of the awards with lots of days off around their vacation
4) for Feb I got 4 4days with 14 days off, wanted the Super Bowl off and I got the 5th-13th off. 77 hours of credit. Could pick up something in that week off but I have some things I need to get done.
5) I am happy it got me off reserve right now.....we shall see what the future holds
01-25-2011 | 09:12 PM
#15
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1. ASA
2. 74%
3. For Feb received 14 days off (7 of which are vacation), work a 4 day, 5 days off, work a 4 day, 2 days off. Could have tried to bid to make those four days start closer together near the end of the month, but my personal schedule required that I be somewhere other than in an airplane during two of those 5 days off.
4. You do generally get what you bid for, as long as you learn how to use the PBS system. The PBS trainers can help anyone out with that.
5. I'm very happy with the new ASA PBS system. I was hesistant about it after hearing stories that PBS at other airlines having so many issues, but learned that ASA's MEC worked to resolve those issues. After seeing the results of my practice bids that we went through over the last few months and now my Feb bid results, in my opinion, this PBS is a good product.
2. 74%
3. For Feb received 14 days off (7 of which are vacation), work a 4 day, 5 days off, work a 4 day, 2 days off. Could have tried to bid to make those four days start closer together near the end of the month, but my personal schedule required that I be somewhere other than in an airplane during two of those 5 days off.
4. You do generally get what you bid for, as long as you learn how to use the PBS system. The PBS trainers can help anyone out with that.
5. I'm very happy with the new ASA PBS system. I was hesistant about it after hearing stories that PBS at other airlines having so many issues, but learned that ASA's MEC worked to resolve those issues. After seeing the results of my practice bids that we went through over the last few months and now my Feb bid results, in my opinion, this PBS is a good product.
Last edited by 187fw; 01-25-2011 at 09:30 PM.
01-26-2011 | 07:45 AM
#16
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From: A320
The most common thing I see from everyone posting on this is that they got 4 days. I don't care about days off, blocks of days off, ect. I just want to be able to go on the road for no more than one night at a time. This is all I've been doing for years. If PBS can't provide this then im not interested.
01-26-2011 | 07:51 AM
#17
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The most common thing I see from everyone posting on this is that they got 4 days. I don't care about days off, blocks of days off, ect. I just want to be able to go on the road for no more than one night at a time. This is all I've been doing for years. If PBS can't provide this then im not interested.
FYI...PBS has nothing to do with that. It's what the company puts out for pairings. All PBS is, is a way to bid for a schedule with the already made pairings. From my understanding, could be wrong, ASA likes 4 day trips since they are the most efficient. This isn't to say they don't have 1, 2 & 3 day trips.
01-26-2011 | 08:01 AM
#18
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From: A320
I understand that, im saying with our system now with my senoirty I can trade for less than 4 day trips. If PBS causes these trips to no longer be available when it gets to me im not interested. Any pilots QOL should not dramtically change for the worst as a result of a new bidding system.
01-26-2011 | 08:10 AM
#19
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I'm a ExpressJet (XJT) pilot looking to gather information from pilots that are currently working with PBS. With the ASA-XJT merger quickly developing, XJT pilots will be voting for a joint CBA with PBS attached to it sometime in the future. Most XJT pilots don't know much, if anything, about PBS.. but we have heard plenty of negative about it from CAL pilots; especially the XJT pilots that left for CAL. Therefore our automatic answer to PBS is to vote no for anything PBS, because our current system is so good and allows us so much flexibility with our schedules. For instance, one week of vacation easily turns to 2-3 weeks off. Please answer the questions below and add anything that would help the average line pilot understand the positive/negative aspects of PBS. It's important to include your airline and percentile, as every airline has a different PBS and from what I have heard, only the top 20% are happy, while the other 80% hate PBS. Please share..
1. What airline are you with?
2. What percentile to you bid in base?
3. How many days off, in a row, do you get generally for vacation?
4. Do you generally get what you bid for? (commutable, days off, etc..)
5. Overall thoughts
Thanks for your feedback.
1. What airline are you with?
2. What percentile to you bid in base?
3. How many days off, in a row, do you get generally for vacation?
4. Do you generally get what you bid for? (commutable, days off, etc..)
5. Overall thoughts
Thanks for your feedback.
01-26-2011 | 08:16 AM
#20
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Most people seem to hold = to or greater than what they use to.
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