Congrats on upgrade, looks like come May you'll move up another 3 slot in FAT.

I'll take it! Are these transitions or transfers? I was looking at bid awards and only saw 1 EMB CA FAT transition on the 1/20 award.

MP's a friend of mine; he’s talking about the current May award that's in progress. I talked to VD on Thursday and I know for sure 2 are transitioning (include me, J.K.) and there's the possibility of 1-2 more if they accept it. That means 2-4 FAT EMB CA’s are headed to the RJ (MSP) in the May 13th class.

Not true, I personally know several widebody FO's who have been domestic CA's but bid back into the right seat, pay is about a wash but QOL is vastly better.

At SKW, CRJ FO wins vs. EMB CA in every category except pay which is a wash. Unless you need TPIC or live in a Bro-only base, there's no point in doing the EMB upgrade.

Well I guess some folks just have a need to be large and in charge, so it might be better for them to reign in hell...

I disagree that CRJ FO wins over EMB CA. It’s all based upon ones perspective and if you’re talking about an EMB CA line holder vs. CRJ FO line holder, the EMB CA will make over $12,500 (like scheds) more while building PIC time. Now an EMB CA reservist will make about what a CRJ FO makes IF the FO can maintain an average line value of 96.5 hours in which case the EMB CA will have worked a lot less. I will agree that a 5th yr CRJ FO has more control over their schedule than a 5th yr EMB CA but there’s just too many variables to post a blanked statement as you have above.

Also based upon your posting an EMB CA wins over CRJ CA. My reasoning is that you will have more control over your line as an EMB CA (better seniority) and your pay is roughly the same as a RES CRJ CA (assuming EMB CA LR). I worked a normal sched meaning what they slapped on me and averaged 93.7 hrs over the last 2.5 years, currently they nailing us with 5 - 4 days and 95-105 hrs credit. Basically the relationship between CRJ FO LR and EMB CA RES is the same as an EMB CA LR and CRJ CA RES.

Bottom line, it’s all based upon the individual.

• Note: Per Diem and quarterly bonus not included. I used our current 5th year rates.

CRJ FO LR: 40.29 x 96.5 = $3887.99
EMB CA RES: 51.86 x 75 = $3889.50
EMB CA LR: 51.86 x 99.5 = $5160.07
CRJ CA RES: 68.86 x 75 = $5164.50

Also Line Holders will gain quite a bit more in per diem that RES's.

How about most junior line holders in these positions? What about the other EMB bases?

If things started going backwards here and I had to choose EMB PIC or CRJ FO I'd move three feet to the right in a heartbeat. Plenty of senior RJ FOs flying the 700/900 exclusively making $50k+ and the schedule, QOL, overnights, and intensity of work are not even close.

But like you say, to each their own.

If I was living in domicile as a CRJ CA and things start to head backwards I'd take the EMB CA position but only if I could still live in base and could hold a line. But if I had to commute or could only hold EMB CA RES then I too would move to the right seat of the RJ since I no longer need an ATP/Type or PIC time.

My point is there are too many variables to consider and CRJ FO does not always win.

You guys are all effed up. Bro Fo's are the ones that Kick A$$! oh wait, we're talking about money, nevermind.

I thought we were talking about upgrading as soon as possible, ie senior lineholder FO => rock-bottom reserve, low pay and no QOL.


Of course it all depends on your seniority and what you want out of life.