Alright, I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible.

Thanks to the Colgan guys that sent DOH info.


I took different %'s of each list and I'm showing how a pilot at a particular DOH would fair using the 2 different extremes of thought on seniority integration (percentage in your company now VS. DOH)

This is a generalized calculation and I had to make several assumptions:

- 9E pilots are calculated using their checkride date not DOH
- XJ furloughs are treated fairly
- 2804 pilots on merged list not including newhires

- I did the calculations at the 10%, 20%, 40%, 60%, and 80% position of each company to show a trend

- They are negotiating how they will integrate the lists now, but you will probably fall within the range of the 2 different methodologies after it is finished.

- use Interpolation

Just look at your particular airline and hire date to see where you fall on the 3000 pilot list for each method, either DOH or percentage.


Colgan

Hire Date -- DOH -- %method


06/2004 --- 867 --- 280

07/2005 --- 1151 --- 561

03/2007 --- 1525 --- 1122

11/2007 --- 2118 --- 1683

06/2008 --- 2507 --- 2243


Mesaba

Hire Date -- DOH -- %method


10/1995 --- 155 --- 280

03/1999 --- 306 --- 561

08/2004 --- 895 --- 1122

08/2007 --- 1953 --- 1683

01/2008 --- 2343 --- 2243


Pinnacle

Hire Date -- DOH -- %method


04/2000 --- 412 --- 280

10/2002 --- 639 --- 561

02/2005 --- 1044 --- 1122

08/2006 --- 1403 --- 1683

08/2007 --- 1932 --- 2243

I see some things that would upset a few people.

Dat there is some fuzzy math son!

Problem here is that 6/08 hires are holding Q CA positions at 9L and now you are projecting them to go to basically the bottom of a 3000 pilot list with only about 400 guys below them?

In all honesty thank you! I know what you were trying accomplish by trying to give everyone a rough idea of where they may stand in a few different scenarios, but those numbers are going to cause a slight "disturbance" in the pilot group.

Lets just be patient and wait for the SLI team to do their job and before we all kill each other.

Take it for what it's worth, it's just information.

And its not fuzzy math at all, I put everyone in DOH order for one list and calculated the percentiles of each individual at their company for the % based list, Elementary school stuff.

An 08 hire holding a captain position must consider themselves lucky, but after integration that is the range where they will fall on the 3000 pilot list.

No one will be bumped from their seats for SLI, only XJ Saab guys being displaced will cause people to lose their positions, but those 08 hires are going to be junior captains for a long time I believe.

pinnacle will be using date of hire not date of checkride.

Thats good, that's the way it should be.

Too bad I dont have a list with that information.

That implies that DOH will be the main factor. Your relative seniority would not change by moving your DOH back three months.

It makes a big diff when 9E was hiring 50+guys a month in 07-08

From the trends, most pilots benefit from straight DOH (as long as you dont work at Colgan)

How would your relative seniority change at all by moving your DOH? It wouldn't at all would it?