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Zapata 03-06-2011 10:41 AM

Unfortunately, there is an exception to the 1500 hour requirement.

H.R. 5900 [111th] - Summary: Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 (GovTrack.us)


Section 217 -
Directs the FAA Administrator to conduct a rulemaking proceeding to modify minimum federal requirements for the issuance of airline transport pilot certificates. Requires a pilot to have at least 1,500 flight hours to qualify for a certificate.
Authorizes the Administrator to allow specific academic training courses, beyond the minimum required, to be credited toward total flight hours, if allowing a pilot to take such courses will enhance safety more than requiring full compliance with the flight hours requirement.



Flyby1206 03-06-2011 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by Zapata (Post 959010)

Yep, thats going to be the gray area. "Sure, you can hire a 200hr pilot, but just make sure to include an extra day of training on safety of flight and youll be fine!"

wrxpilot 03-06-2011 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 959015)
Yep, thats going to be the gray area. "Sure, you can hire a 200hr pilot, but just make sure to include an extra day of training on safety of flight and youll be fine!"

No, it means they'll have a four year degree, and the rumor is that they will still be required to have at least 750 TT. Considering the price of aviation schools, that still seems like one heck of a barrier.

FlyJSH 03-06-2011 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 958930)
This means most people will have to CFI for a bit and then do 135 for a bit then go 121. Which, I am sure will make some people on here giddy as a school girl. However, that makes the road from entry to 121 even longer (again, giddy as a school girl) .

That is such a shame (stifling snickers).
(snickers increase)

Oh heck, I give up! (high pitched squeal followed by uncontrolled laughter)

threeighteen 03-06-2011 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by B767 (Post 958964)
You have to fly at least 50nm away from your departure airport for ATP xc. Don't have to land or even shoot an approach. Just takeoff, fly 50nm away, turn back and it counts.

Exactly.


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 958976)
Yeah, point to point is for 135 stuff. I was worried that with the ATP, since the student is doing the landing, I couldnt log it as XC time. But then I remember that it is just the distance and that a landing is not included. But again, CFIs - don't just be wasting your students time to get that XC. I doubt many would, but some may.

135 XC is even easier to get (doesn't have to be 50nm). You could easily hit 135 mins as a CFI. But that obviously doesn't help with 121 at all. :(


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 959098)
No, it means they'll have a four year degree, and the rumor is that they will still be required to have at least 750 TT. Considering the price of aviation schools, that still seems like one heck of a barrier.

Getting into this industry without a four year degree is rather pointless to begin with.


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 959189)
That is such a shame (stifling snickers).
(snickers increase)

Oh heck, I give up! (high pitched squeal followed by uncontrolled laughter)

: |

jimmyladue 03-06-2011 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by wrxpilot (Post 959098)
No, it means they'll have a four year degree, and the rumor is that they will still be required to have at least 750 TT. Considering the price of aviation schools, that still seems like one heck of a barrier.

Getting into this industry without a four year degree is rather pointless to begin with.

- you don't need a four year degree to be in this industry. I know plenty of American, delta, ups guys without a degree. I'm not saying it doesn't help, but still.

Meatball 03-06-2011 10:28 PM


Originally Posted by rightside02 (Post 958835)
Wait till the regionals really start loosing people .

Loosing? Better tighten them.

threeighteen 03-06-2011 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by jimmyladue (Post 959328)
you don't need a four year degree to be in this industry. I know plenty of American, delta, ups guys without a degree. I'm not saying it doesn't help, but still.

Out of curiosity, when were they hired? Do you know if it's still commonplace for them to hire without degrees?

Not having a four year degree knocks you out of the running for multiple employment opportunities.

Besides, with an ATP, you can get an online degree in less than 4 semesters through some schools.

FlyJSH 03-07-2011 01:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
That is such a shame (stifling snickers).
(snickers increase)

Oh heck, I give up! (high pitched squeal followed by uncontrolled laughter)
: |


What? you don't like the idea of a pilot, check that, a future 121 Captain, having experience making real decisions while keeping a schedule?

Instructing is great. I learned more about manipulating an airplane in the first 100 hours of instructing than I did in 1000 hours of doing anything else.

BUT, my flight school still had limits on when I could fly, where, and when. It wasn't until I flew a Caravan hauling boxes that I learned about flying a line.

When I am on a hiring team hiring a civilian pilot, CFI or aerobatic pilot (for airmanship) AND scheduled flying (for real world experience) are tops on my list.

So sorry if you think the 2-3 years it takes to get that experience is too long.

wrxpilot 03-07-2011 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by jimmyladue (Post 959328)
Getting into this industry without a four year degree is rather pointless to begin with.

- you don't need a four year degree to be in this industry. I know plenty of American, delta, ups guys without a degree. I'm not saying it doesn't help, but still.

Your friends would certainly have a MUCH more difficult time today and in the forseeable future. A degree is an absolute must for those wishing to move on to the majors.


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