Frontier Airlines to start its own regional.
09-07-2006 | 02:55 PM
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comair was great until mainline collapsed and comair went with it
if every major owned their own regional thats what i meant, but as long as their is one independent regional company, they will always step in and say "hey well do that job for a dollar less becaue we have younger pilots"
if every major owned their own regional thats what i meant, but as long as their is one independent regional company, they will always step in and say "hey well do that job for a dollar less becaue we have younger pilots"
09-07-2006 | 03:42 PM
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comair was great until mainline collapsed and comair went with it
if every major owned their own regional thats what i meant, but as long as their is one independent regional company, they will always step in and say "hey well do that job for a dollar less becaue we have younger pilots"
if every major owned their own regional thats what i meant, but as long as their is one independent regional company, they will always step in and say "hey well do that job for a dollar less becaue we have younger pilots"
Exactly. That's why we need to ELIMINATE longevity-based pay scales...they function on the premise that you will pay your dues up front now and reap the rewards later. Well we all know what happens when "later" comes...some startup or rapid-growth company with bottom-scale labor costs shows up and your management takes a quick trip through the Ch.11 drive-through...
Equipment size & seats would determine pay...eliminate starvation wages at the bottom and $300/hr pay at the top (which attracts undercutters like flies). Seniority stays of course, and will still get you larger equipment (and higher pay) as well as schedule, domicile, and upgrade. The new scale would have to be phased-in so as not to penalize the existing senior pilots.
Added benefit...if an entry level airline FO's were paid $70K to start, then the job would get REAL competitive, REAL fast and would squeeze out some of the turds we see entering the game today...higher standards, better for everybody.
09-07-2006 | 03:49 PM
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Exactly. That's why we need to ELIMINATE longevity-based pay scales...they function on the premise that you will pay your dues up front now and reap the rewards later. Well we all know what happens when "later" comes...some startup or rapid-growth company with bottom-scale labor costs shows up and your management takes a quick trip through the Ch.11 drive-through...
Equipment size & seats would determine pay...eliminate starvation wages at the bottom and $300/hr pay at the top (which attracts undercutters like flies). Seniority stays of course, and will still get you larger equipment (and higher pay) as well as schedule, domicile, and upgrade. The new scale would have to be phased-in so as not to penalize the existing senior pilots.
Added benefit...if an entry level airline FO's were paid $70K to start, then the job would get REAL competitive, REAL fast and would squeeze out some of the turds we see entering the game today...higher standards, better for everybody.
Equipment size & seats would determine pay...eliminate starvation wages at the bottom and $300/hr pay at the top (which attracts undercutters like flies). Seniority stays of course, and will still get you larger equipment (and higher pay) as well as schedule, domicile, and upgrade. The new scale would have to be phased-in so as not to penalize the existing senior pilots.
Added benefit...if an entry level airline FO's were paid $70K to start, then the job would get REAL competitive, REAL fast and would squeeze out some of the turds we see entering the game today...higher standards, better for everybody.
09-09-2006 | 05:37 PM
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09-10-2006 | 09:08 AM
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Partially Graduated?
How would a partially graduated pay scale work? More "pay consistency" would probably make the regionals more stable, but It would get old fast if an older CA was making the same as a new upgrade. How would a partially graduated scale work out? For example, I'll give an idea for a company like Comair:
FO:
1st yr./prob.: $30K
2nd Yr. til upgrade: $40K(+COLA)
CA:
Year 1-5: $75K (+COLA)
Year 6-10: $85K (+COLA)
Year 11-Retirement: $100K (+COLA)
Good idea? Bad idea?
FO:
1st yr./prob.: $30K
2nd Yr. til upgrade: $40K(+COLA)
CA:
Year 1-5: $75K (+COLA)
Year 6-10: $85K (+COLA)
Year 11-Retirement: $100K (+COLA)
Good idea? Bad idea?
09-10-2006 | 09:17 AM
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why should a senior captain get mad at a new captain making close to what he makes, if they are both in the same aircraft then they are both performing the same duties
the DUTIES of a 10 year capn are the SAME as the DUTIES of a 2 year capn as long as their in the same aircraft(actually its probably less since he has a sweet schedule by now and barely flies anymore). these graduated payscales are what have lead to the bendover of ALPA across the US
heres how it should go
RJ FO 70K
RJ CAP 100K
737 FO 130K
737 CA 180K FOR LIFE
the DUTIES of a 10 year capn are the SAME as the DUTIES of a 2 year capn as long as their in the same aircraft(actually its probably less since he has a sweet schedule by now and barely flies anymore). these graduated payscales are what have lead to the bendover of ALPA across the US
heres how it should go
RJ FO 70K
RJ CAP 100K
737 FO 130K
737 CA 180K FOR LIFE
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