Colgan had some American execs checking out the Q400 the other day. Heard this from a buddy who flew them.

 

Just gets me wondering, how more efficient is the Q400 than the ATR?

 

Before ya'll get your panties wet....


Whereas the APA and the Company have agreed that in the future, Commuter Air Carriers operating under Section 1.D. of the Agreement shall utilize only aircraft that are not certificated in the United States or Europe with a maximum passenger capacity of more than 50 seats and that are not certificated in any country with a maximum gross takeoff weight of more than 64,500 pounds;

Whereas American Eagle Airlines currently has twenty five CRJ-700 aircraft in service or on firm order, and also has options on an additional twenty five CRJ-700 aircraft:


Now, therefore, the parties hereby agree to the following:

1. The Company and APA shall have one year from May 2003 to meet and negotiate in good faith the transfer of the CRJ-700 aircraft currently in service, on order, or on option at American Eagle to the Company’s operating certificate in a manner that shall be cost-neutral as to labor costs under collective bargaining agreements.

2. The APA hereby grants to the Company an exception from the 50 seat and 64,500 pound limitations on aircraft at American Eagle for the CRJ-700 aircraft during the time period of negotiations pursuant to paragraph 1, above, and for one year after reaching agreement with the APA under paragraph 1, above, in order to effect the transfer to the Company’s operating certificate of all CRJ-700 aircraft operated by the Company or an Affiliate.


3. If the parties do not reach agreement under paragraph 1 of this agreement, the APA grants to the Company an exception from the 50 seat and 64,500 pound limitations on aircraft at American Eagle specifically for the CRJ-700s currently in use, on order or on option as of the signing of this letter. This exception is for a maximum of fifty (50) CRJ700 aircraft with the understanding that the cancellation, transfer or expiration of any of the current (as of DOS) orders or options reduces this maximum number by a like amount.

For the American Airlines, Inc. For the APA

 

Move forward on the legal front??? How can you challenge the fact that AMR owns Eagle's aircraft? AMR owns Eagle and everything about Eagle. If they desired, AMR could spin off the company called Eagle and give them nothing except employees and charge the new company for all the equipment they use.

AMR has played shell games for years with AA vs. Eagle. In the past the mainline was harmed financially by having to bear costs incurred by Eagle. It sounds like the pendulum is about to turn the other way and the Eagle MEC doesn't like the turn of events. Get used to it, it's just business.

 

The EMBs loans from the NDBB is under AE and the cosignee on the loan is AMR. So according to the bank it two separate entities.

 

As far as the q400s go, they were already taken for a test drive out of SJU a couple of years ago. Don't know why they would need to see them again?

 

It is nothing. Nothing new except them AMR board will decide in may, to bad that has been happening since last may a no decision yet. the MEC ism not informing the membership of nothing official them company with the exception of two times in the past year has said nothing to anybody. But the MEC tell the media and us to ensure everyone that they the MEC are important and mgt is talking to them. the MEC at eagle are company lackeys. why would anyone want to negotiate there contract before it is due and a spinoff is imminent as the MEC says. would you not want to wait til after the spinoff and see how things pan out since whatever you negotiate the spinoff will happen anyhow.

But the MEC is proactive, they like to be first in line for concessions. Why has no other employee group at eagle been approached for negotiations and concession? because they know the ALPA MEC at eagle is spineless and useless. I am waiting for the DFR to come out of this, because these people are so stupid it is just a matter of time.

 

and they are involved in the C series visiting montreal constantly.

 

Absolutely. Just business. The problem is for us Eagle drivers that we can't predict our very near future. Pretty frustrating and very stressful for some of us. The really crappy thing about the entire deal is that even if AMR just spun us off and liquidated the company, it would just be business. But it would be unprecedented in the regional airline industry to just close an entire airline without it going through bankruptcy. Well, some company has to set precedent I guess.

Liquidations is the inference I get from AMR keeping the planes after spinning us off. And the five year travel benefit sounds like a severance package. I hope I'm wrong.