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CANAM 03-27-2011 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by Atreyu (Post 969882)
I really do hope the flying stays at ASA and not one of the underpaid regionals.

In an industry which is operated by subcontractors, this simply isn't a reality. The lowest bidder has the greatest advantages. While service and reliability were once important considerations, cost has become the overriding factor in choosing who will survive.

Lowlevel 03-27-2011 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 971337)
Lol that's the corporate slogan...

Oh dear!
That's kinda like Comair's slogan..."Ready To Go!" Well, yeah...ready to go away!

logic1 03-28-2011 05:06 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 970264)
ASA flies in ATL, our stats would all suck that bad if we were flying out of that airport. PNCL does not have the easiest airports anymore either. We used to be MEM DTW MSP and it was great - no ground stops - no holding, just an occasional hiccup. Now we have JFK and ATL as well and we also have a major operation in the northeast brewing which does not bode well for on time stuff. The way that it is set up, either ASA or PNCL could have their flying reduced at anytime. All of these 50 seat planes need to be replaced with q400's and Crj 700 and 900's yesterday. I wish delta could just order a bunch of those planes and put them at mainline and offer a flow to an interview type situation for DCI carriers. That way you get a chance to get an interview - but Delta still gets to pick who they want. Then as the regional contracts expire just dont renew them and you are left with one airline going forward. Is that my alarm clock, i knew i was dreaming...........

Flying out of ATL has nothing to do with the performance. ASA has been in ATL for 30 years....they should know by now how long it takes to fly to
SAV.

The Chow 03-28-2011 05:53 AM


Originally Posted by logic1 (Post 971662)
Flying out of ATL has nothing to do with the performance. ASA has been in ATL for 30 years....they should know by now how long it takes to fly to
SAV.

True but ATL did get some unusual weather this year. Besides, this rumor was probably started by a Comair person. :eek:;)

Lambourne 03-28-2011 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 971276)
United had 3 good companies working as UAX (ACA,SKW,AIRWIS) and the customers responded with high remarks. Then United figured they could get the same service using Mesa/TSA/Colgan. They were wrong. UAX went from good to bad quickly. United didnt care about the product, they only cared that someone would do it cheaper. That's what ended ACA and almost AIRWIS. In the end if you cant beat the cheap crappy companies I guess you join them, I work for Pinnacle. Simply the best.

Getting rid of ACA actually improved the UA operation. Reliability with the new carriers has been much better than when ACA was doing the flying. I am not buying that the passengers preferred a J-41 versus the RJ's now offered. I think the current mix is pretty good with the exception of ASA. Expressjet, Skywest, Republic and TSA seem to offer better service than in the past. Don't think I have ever been treated better than I have by the new UAX carriers when I have ridden on them, versus ACA and ARW. UA has fixed some of the issues at ORD, revamped the old ACA gates at IAD with good FIDS screens in the gates, at LAX we moved UAX to the 80 gates. It has been an evolving process.

I think letting ACA go was the best thing for UA the company. ACA was like the lazy guy that lives on unemployment and plays video games all day. It wasn't until the checks stopped coming that they realized they were in trouble. At any rate UA won the ACA war and has been financially and reliability better off without them. Too bad the employees of ACA bought into the big ideas of their management.

pullforexit 03-28-2011 07:01 AM

All regionals are sub-contractors. We're all at the mercy of the major we feed. No matter how low your cost or how good your service is, you will always be subject to replacement.

PCLCREW 03-29-2011 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 971694)
Getting rid of ACA actually improved the UA operation. Reliability with the new carriers has been much better than when ACA was doing the flying. I am not buying that the passengers preferred a J-41 versus the RJ's now offered. I think the current mix is pretty good with the exception of ASA. Expressjet, Skywest, Republic and TSA seem to offer better service than in the past. Don't think I have ever been treated better than I have by the new UAX carriers when I have ridden on them, versus ACA and ARW. UA has fixed some of the issues at ORD, revamped the old ACA gates at IAD with good FIDS screens in the gates, at LAX we moved UAX to the 80 gates. It has been an evolving process.

I think letting ACA go was the best thing for UA the company. ACA was like the lazy guy that lives on unemployment and plays video games all day. It wasn't until the checks stopped coming that they realized they were in trouble. At any rate UA won the ACA war and has been financially and reliability better off without them. Too bad the employees of ACA bought into the big ideas of their management.

except the jumpseat war that was going on 3 years ago... where some of the UAX carriers were being told not to take mainline JSers??? Sounds like being treated pretty well IMO.
Speaking of LAX... What about the E120's? Should UAL get rid of skywest because they fly props?
So what your saying is UAL should pick the lowest bottoms feeders in the regional industry; saying they won the war with ACA because they cost more? I know many of the people you work with would totally disagree with that.

Lambourne 04-01-2011 02:36 AM


except the jumpseat war that was going on 3 years ago... where some of the UAX carriers were being told not to take mainline JSers??? Sounds like being treated pretty well IMO.
Mental midgets on both sides. I never had any issues with the express crews. The new carriers have been very accomodating


Speaking of LAX... What about the E120's? Should UAL get rid of skywest because they fly props?
No they should get rid of the E120's. The weight restrictions on those are enormous. The problem with ACA was they were flying J-41's in markets that everyone else flew RJ's. Not sure that is the case with the E120's.


So what your saying is UAL should pick the lowest bottoms feeders in the regional industry
All the express carriers are willing to sell their souls for the next contract. I just hope my mainline carrier gets the best deal. In the case of ACA, UA was paying a premium for shotty service. With the new agreement they got better service at a lower price. I am sure when you are doing repairs around your trailer you forgo the best estimate for repairs and choose the most expensive but least favorably rated service provider.


I know many of the people you work with would totally disagree with that.
Let me guess? All those people are ex-ACA employees. Why not allow the numbers to speak for themselves. UAX passenger satisfaction numbers are well above any level attained by ACA. Perhaps if you ACA folks had spent less time hating UAL and more time understanding where you stood in the food chain the times would have been so difficult for you. Sorry you chose bravado over reality. Maybe you are wiser now and wouldn't be as foolish if presented the same situation again.

L

reelbigchair 04-01-2011 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 972690)
except the jumpseat war that was going on 3 years ago... where some of the UAX carriers were being told not to take mainline JSers??? Sounds like being treated pretty well IMO.

This never actually took place, it was all negotiating (threats) to ensure jumpseat priority on UAX carriers. It got resolved, and to my knowledge no jumpseats were denied over this.

cosmosdrvr 04-01-2011 02:08 PM

Some of us who worked at ACA were proud of the job we did for United customers.


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