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Old 03-25-2011, 09:55 AM
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Hi guys can any of the XJT guys on here tell me what the most junior first officer DOH is for the long call reserve lines. Thanks
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Right now they're still 08 recalls.... but by May, the first class of 2011 will be getting relief lines in EWR and possibly ORD.
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Right now they're still 08 recalls.... but by May, the first class of 2011 will be getting relief lines in EWR and possibly ORD.
Thanks hopefully that continues.
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Not trying to induce massive thread drift here. And everybody's experience on reserve, as well as LC reserve is different. But it can be a bit of a double edged sword the way the language is written. The aggressive pickup window helped to fix some of it. I've been on LC RSV on 3 different occasions. There were times when it was great, and times when it sucked and I would have been better off doing an R3/R4 line.
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Not trying to induce massive thread drift here. And everybody's experience on reserve, as well as LC reserve is different. But it can be a bit of a double edged sword the way the language is written. The aggressive pickup window helped to fix some of it. I've been on LC RSV on 3 different occasions. There were times when it was great, and times when it sucked and I would have been better off doing an R3/R4 line.
Do you commute?
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Do you commute?
Yep, which of course puts a totally different perspective on it.

The good thing is, they can NEVER make you show before 12pm on your FIRST day of the reserve block. So if you can make a 12pm show and abide by the commuter clause (either version 1 or the amended), you can ALWAYS bank on spending that last night at home and coming in on your first day. As opposed to coming in the night before. But the SAME applies to the late callout times as well. And in some cases, the late callout times can offer a little more protection if you are commuting in the morning of, where the long call can get you in trouble depending on how long your flight is for phone availability and response time, etc.
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Yep, which of course puts a totally different perspective on it.

The good thing is, they can NEVER make you show before 12pm on your FIRST day of the reserve block. So if you can make a 12pm show and abide by the commuter clause (either version 1 or the amended), you can ALWAYS bank on spending that last night at home and coming in on your first day. As opposed to coming in the night before. But the SAME applies to the late callout times as well. And in some cases, the late callout times can offer a little more protection if you are commuting in the morning of, where the long call can get you in trouble depending on how long your flight is for phone availability and response time, etc.
What kind of commuter clause does XJT have? Original plus two back up flights? I'd be a BOS-EWR commuter hopefully.
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What kind of commuter clause does XJT have? Original plus two back up flights? I'd be a BOS-EWR commuter hopefully.
"original" language. This one has some subjective/relative points to it that has burned some guys, especially how it relates to the jumpseat part. But heres the "big picture";

R. Commuter Policy
1. A pilot is responsible for reporting to his assignment in a timely manner. The following provisions are not intended to relieve a pilot of that responsibility, but to address circumstances beyond the pilot’s control (e.g., flight cancellations, delays, flat tires, motor vehicle accidents, etc.).
2. A pilot who utilizes the Commuter Policy in accordance with the provisions below shall not be disciplined for not reporting for his trip in a timely fashion and shall, after consulting with his Chief Pilot, have any occurrence noted on his schedule as a commuter personal drop (CPD).
3. The Commuter Policy shall not be limited to pilots who commute by air and shall also apply to those pilots who commute by ground transportation (e.g., rail, car, bus, etc.).
4. If a pilot is commuting by air, to include multiple legs, 2 separate flights (on any airline) must be available on each leg, and the final leg must be scheduled to arrive no later than 30 minutes prior to the scheduled report time of his trip. Available seats (including the jumpseat) must exist for these flights at 24 hours prior to the departure time of the first flight. A seat is considered available if that flight is booked below the seating capacity (including the jumpseat), including non- revenue space available travelers that are listed and have a higher boarding priority than the pilot.
5. The pilot must be at the departure gate(s) 30 minutes before the scheduled departure time(s) for the available flight(s) for this policy to be utilized.
6. If a pilot is unable to arrive in time for his trip, he shall notify the Company as soon as practical, and state whether he is able to return to the trip when it next transits through his domicile. If able, the pilot will return to the trip when it transits through his domicile.
7. A lineholder will have the value of the trip he misses deducted from his line value and minimum monthly guarantee, if applicable. Any subsequent trip(s) that the
We recently got a new MOU that modifies the language if you are opting to use just one flight to get to work. I tried to copy-paste it but it's too much of a PITA the way the file opens up, sorry. But it basically says that a pilot has the option of just ONE flight, but it has some other things that go along with it, like how many times you can use the "one flight to commute" language in a rolling 12 month period, etc.
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What kind of commuter clause does XJT have? Original plus two back up flights? I'd be a BOS-EWR commuter hopefully.
"original" language. This one has some subjective/relative points to it that has burned some guys, especially how it relates to the jumpseat part. But heres the "big picture";

R. Commuter Policy
1. A pilot is responsible for reporting to his assignment in a timely manner. The following provisions are not intended to relieve a pilot of that responsibility, but to address circumstances beyond the pilot’s control (e.g., flight cancellations, delays, flat tires, motor vehicle accidents, etc.).
2. A pilot who utilizes the Commuter Policy in accordance with the provisions below shall not be disciplined for not reporting for his trip in a timely fashion and shall, after consulting with his Chief Pilot, have any occurrence noted on his schedule as a commuter personal drop (CPD).
3. The Commuter Policy shall not be limited to pilots who commute by air and shall also apply to those pilots who commute by ground transportation (e.g., rail, car, bus, etc.).
4. If a pilot is commuting by air, to include multiple legs, 2 separate flights (on any airline) must be available on each leg, and the final leg must be scheduled to arrive no later than 30 minutes prior to the scheduled report time of his trip. Available seats (including the jumpseat) must exist for these flights at 24 hours prior to the departure time of the first flight. A seat is considered available if that flight is booked below the seating capacity (including the jumpseat), including non- revenue space available travelers that are listed and have a higher boarding priority than the pilot.
5. The pilot must be at the departure gate(s) 30 minutes before the scheduled departure time(s) for the available flight(s) for this policy to be utilized.
6. If a pilot is unable to arrive in time for his trip, he shall notify the Company as soon as practical, and state whether he is able to return to the trip when it next transits through his domicile. If able, the pilot will return to the trip when it transits through his domicile.
7. A lineholder will have the value of the trip he misses deducted from his line value and minimum monthly guarantee, if applicable. Any subsequent trip(s) that the
We recently got a new MOU that modifies the language if you are opting to use just one flight to get to work. I tried to copy-paste it but it's too much of a PITA the way the file opens up, sorry. But it basically says that a pilot has the option of just ONE flight, but it has some other things that go along with it, like how many times you can use the "one flight to commute" language in a rolling 12 month period, etc.
I haven't looked at it closely but I believe that the only major changes the MOU has on the old policy is that is now only 15 minutes to show time and the addition of a seat having to be available for sale to the public within 36 hours along with the Jumpseat. You agree?

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I haven't looked at it closely but I believe that the only major changes the MOU has on the old policy is that is now only 15 minutes to show time and the addition of a seat need being available for sale to the public within 36 hours along with the Jumpseat. You agree?
I gotta read through the whole thing. But it seems as if things like "documentation upon request", two flights requires the 36 hour provision, but NOT the "less than 24 hour" that the single flight language does, the addition of the "if commuting from a place that requires a custom clear in domicile", the single flight language can only be used 3 times in a rolling 12 month period without being disciplined whereas the 2 flight rule has no limit on use are the major changes I see.
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