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TurboDog 04-25-2011 04:08 PM

Shuttle America - Kindle Users
 
For those of you that use the Kindle instead of lugging around the GOM and the POH, I am curious how you normally bookmark both books on the Kindle.

Do you bookmark each section, or only the parts you reference the most?

There must be a better way than clicking on the next page button 50 times to get to a page in the middle of, say, section 4 in the POH. Seems to be that it takes a while to first look in the table of contents and then find the correct bookmark you are looking for, and then clicking next 50 times.

I see the benefit being reduced weight, but I would never flip through a reference manual page by page to get to where I want. Is there a better way to bookmark these manuals on the Kindle?

Thanks!

BeechBus 04-25-2011 05:57 PM

Sorry I am not answering your question but you all allowed to have your manuals on your e-readers and that is a "valid" replacement to carrying the paper copies around. I am new to this airline thing, but that sounds great.

flyandive 04-25-2011 06:09 PM

Shuttle gives you the option of the Kindle?!
Maybe someday we will get approval to actually use the iPad. Turbo, you done with training yet? I'm headed your way tomorrow.

higney85 04-25-2011 06:55 PM

Are you talking about keeping (all) them on there for convenience and also having your paper versions for legality? I haven't heard of any carrier getting kindles or iPads approved yet. There are some approved EFB's but it's my understanding that those are standalone and very basic in only holding charts and manuals. Just curious!!

As far as PDF's- you can separate things within adobe and save the file with bookmarks/chapters prior to a sync to a device.

TurboDog 04-25-2011 08:39 PM

Yes, Shuttle is "Approved" for pilots to carry the Kindle instead of the paper GOM and POH.

I've heard that some airlines are approved to use the Ipad now, but I know Republic Airways' stance is that they eventually want to go to a tablet like the ipad, but apparently it costs quite a bit to restrict a tablet from utilizing any type of app while in flight.

EFB's are being installed in all Shuttle aircraft as they come in for Heavy Checks. Eventually I am sure everything will be on the EFB's, but in the meantime the Kindle is an strictly volunteer option.

FlyandDive: What are you doing out this way? Training is done. On IOE now.

TurboDog 04-25-2011 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 985544)
Are you talking about keeping (all) them on there for convenience and also having your paper versions for legality? I haven't heard of any carrier getting kindles or iPads approved yet. There are some approved EFB's but it's my understanding that those are standalone and very basic in only holding charts and manuals. Just curious!!

As far as PDF's- you can separate things within adobe and save the file with bookmarks/chapters prior to a sync to a device.

I'll have to play around with adobe. Good suggestion. Thanks!

FLEX 04-26-2011 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by TurboDog (Post 985580)
Yes, Shuttle is "Approved" for pilots to carry the Kindle instead of the paper GOM and POH.

I've heard that some airlines are approved to use the Ipad now, but I know Republic Airways' stance is that they eventually want to go to a tablet like the ipad, but apparently it costs quite a bit to restrict a tablet from utilizing any type of app while in flight.

EFB's are being installed in all Shuttle aircraft as they come in for Heavy Checks. Eventually I am sure everything will be on the EFB's, but in the meantime the Kindle is an strictly volunteer option.

FlyandDive: What are you doing out this way? Training is done. On IOE now.

Just curious, who pays for the Kindle?

JDFlyer 04-26-2011 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by TurboDog (Post 985580)
I've heard that some airlines are approved to use the Ipad now, but I know Republic Airways' stance is that they eventually want to go to a tablet like the ipad, but apparently it costs quite a bit to restrict a tablet from utilizing any type of app while in flight

Why doesn't Republic and the FAA take the position that mature, responsible adults are in command of the aircraft and as mature, responsible pilots we trust that they will not be playing video games while at their duty stations and actively responsible for a multi-million dollar aircraft, the lives of the passengers in the back, and the possible future livelihood of every other Republic employee.

I know, I know, this is asking wayyyyyy too much from from the FAA and airline management.

And I surely hope I am not making a mistaken assumption by classifying pilots in the group of people called "mature, responsible adults". :D

duvie 04-26-2011 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by JDFlyer (Post 985682)
Why doesn't Republic and the FAA take the position that mature, responsible adults are in command of the aircraft and as mature, responsible pilots we trust that they will not be playing video games while at their duty stations and actively responsible for a multi-million dollar aircraft, the lives of the passengers in the back, and the possible future livelihood of every other Republic employee.

Or perhaps, that reading company manuals involves as much brain power as reading a magazine, book or playing angry birds, therefore, as long as you're actively monitoring the aircraft and glancing up with relative frequency, it hardly matters what material is diverting your attention from staring at the instruments.

A mentor once told me: As long as you keep in mind that you are reading in the cockpit, not sitting in a flying library, you should be okay.

WeaselBoy 04-26-2011 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by higney85 (Post 985544)
Are you talking about keeping (all) them on there for convenience and also having your paper versions for legality?

Negative. The Kindle loaded with current updates of the POH and GOM are authorized in lieu of the paper ones in the cockpit.


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