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Readback 05-08-2011 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by Hetman (Post 990704)
Counterpoint. Racism is not limited to white folk. In New York, no less

YouTube - a 18-year old white man was beaten with a concrete brick by 10 black men for dating a black girl

Maybe your selective choice of links indicates a kernel of racism in your own makeup, eh?

Counterpoint? A youtube blurb, that's all you got?:rolleyes:

Hetman 05-08-2011 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Readback (Post 990719)
Counterpoint? A youtube blurb, that's all you got?:rolleyes:

A youtube blurb of the local tv news story, yes. Your post is a red herring.

Here is the same story in the Buffalo News. :rolleyes:

Beating of man, 18, probed as hate crime - City & Region - The Buffalo News

and CNN:rolleyes:

Father wants son's beating treated as a hate crime - CNN

Frick 05-08-2011 10:15 AM

I did not say people are terrified if they see someone that they think is Muslim. I think you're stretching my opinion. My point was that when people see a "muslim" or somebody perceived as one no matter what his/her faith is, people just get a thought in their head. I don't think they get scared or terrified. Terrorists have given Islam a bad name. Like I said, I would have let them fly, but I'm sure there's more to the story than we know so far.

Readback 05-08-2011 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Frick (Post 990758)
I did not say people are terrified if they see someone that they think is Muslim. I think you're stretching my opinion. My point was that when people see a "muslim" or somebody perceived as one no matter what his/her faith is, people just get a thought in their head. I don't think they get scared or terrified. Terrorists have given Islam a bad name. Like I said, I would have let them fly, but I'm sure there's more to the story than we know so far.


In louisiana we refer to that as "crawfishin'":rolleyes:

Mason32 05-08-2011 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by nerd2009 (Post 990212)
Last week leaving BDL in the hotel van, an AA Capt told me he removed some Middle East terorist looking guys from his aircraft five years ago. The ACLU took it all the way to the Supreme Court. The Judge ruled that the FAR's state that since the Capt is soley responsible for the safe operation, case closed.

that establishes a case precedent then.

Mason32 05-08-2011 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by JT8D (Post 990695)
As an aside, a non-reving employee at our company recently refused to get on an airplane due to the presence of some suspicious looking individuals of middle eastern origin. She alerted the authorities, the individuals were pulled from the airplane. Without going into detail suffice it to say these individuals were found by the government to be persona non grata. Didn't see that story in the news though did you? People like this ARE still out there folks, and they want to kill YOU and YOUR families. Taking the necessary precautions is NOT negligent as this ridiculous lawsuit alleges.


The fact that they WERE already on the plane is just so reassuring about how well the TSA theater and "no fly lists" work....

gtechpilot 05-08-2011 05:07 PM

No source, so take it for what it's worth - word around the company is that the two individuals were on a TSA list that required secondary screening. TSA apparently neglected to do it and the aircraft was recalled to the gate, the two pax removed, rescreened and the aircraft searched. When the captain asked for more details TSA became uncooperative and wouldn't provide any more details. The captain, with company backing, refused to let the pax reboard without further information.

iPilot 05-08-2011 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by LostInPA (Post 990398)
I find the racism allegations against the crew rather comical.

I know of NO crewmember who enjoys filling out reports or having conferences with management enough to arbitrarily remove a passenger without cause.

The path of least resistance is to just go fly, and there must be a darn good reason why these people were removed.

Very true. I doubt any pilot would take pleasure in giving guys the boot when faced with this level of attention from the media, government, and their own airline.

Just like I wouldn't pull the parking brake off any airplane I wasn't 100% confident could safely fly, I wouldn't want any passenger I'm not completely confident wont' try and blow me up mid-flight. Everyone in this business is intimately familiar with what defines a terrorist and I'd trust the judgement of any FA or pilot with making that call in the field. Frankly, what's the alternative?

Do you really want to be put in a position where you're forced to fly an airplane even when you think someone in the back is a terrorist? We can't stand back from the position that the PIC is wholly responsible for the safety of the flight. If that means a few folks get INCONVENIENCED by having extra TSA screening and possibly put on a later flight, then I'd say that's worth it. Goodness knows the whole world has been greatly inconvenienced by the actions of very few, this is just a part of that.

DC8DRIVER 05-08-2011 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by gtechpilot (Post 990903)
No source, so take it for what it's worth - word around the company is that the two individuals were on a TSA list that required secondary screening. TSA apparently neglected to do it and the aircraft was recalled to the gate, the two pax removed, rescreened and the aircraft searched. When the captain asked for more details TSA became uncooperative and wouldn't provide any more details. The captain, with company backing, refused to let the pax reboard without further information.

Rumor only. Not true.

dojetdriver 05-08-2011 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 990523)
So were the 9/11 hijackers right up until H-Hour.

There's MORE than one person that's gone on record saying differently, much differently.


Originally Posted by Lambourne (Post 990530)
How many RJ's would these guys have to hijack to do any damage? It's an RJ, not sure it could do any more damage to the world than the wounds it has inflicted on the careers of so many.

There was study based on the obvious physical properties of the size of a 50 seat RJ. I can't remember the EXACT number, but a fully loaded RJ had the ability to do more, way more damage than the Alfred Murrah building sustained.


Originally Posted by Frick (Post 990626)
Id say rednecks are pretty scarce in New York, but when there is a "Muslim" on the plane...try telling a New Yorker there is nothing to worry about.

I'd have to agree with the guy I quote below. But that's just based on when I've gone to visit family that lives in the various parts of NYC, or the various crashpads I've been in there when I ventured out to explore some of the local "culture"


Originally Posted by Jesse (Post 990697)
No, and I'm sure you have plenty of friends who don't have your skin color as well which proves how diverse you are. Your stereotyping of others shows how ignorant you are. New Yorkers are as clean as the wind-driven snow, right?

"rednecks", or rather, people that are ignorant, misinformed, rude, or just simply spout off stupidly exist EVERYWHERE in this country. I'd hardly call NYC a utopia like melting pot of open mindedness where EVERYBODY lives in harmony. More often that not, the ONLY thing separating a "southern" redneck from a "northeastern" redneck is the accent and the background scenery.


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