ASA Pilot boots muslim passengers
05-06-2011, 08:11 PM
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ASA Pilot boots muslim passengers
I'd like to hear the Captains side of the story...
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Two Muslim leaders who were removed from a commercial airliner in Memphis said they were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.
Imams Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Azaghloul arrived at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport several hours after they were scheduled to arrive. They were forced off a plane by a pilot on Friday morning.
"It reminded me when the black lady was kicked from the bus because of racism. That history I found today in that plane," said Raham.
Both men passed multiple security clearances by TSA and Delta Airlines before boarding. They were even rescreened after they were pulled off the flight. Rahman said they had no problem being screened multiple times.
"It is their job to do it. It is out job to show our stuff. We don't have anything. We are living in America; we want the security of America," said Rahman.
But still the pilot refused to let them board.
"The only reason the pilot has cited was some of the passengers didn't feel comfortable, but when the passengers were asked if they felt uncomfortable, none of them indicated that they were," said the imams' attorney, Mo Idibili.
The imams said despite urging from Delta officials, the pilot didn't budge. They said Delta management apologized profusely and put them on a later flight. The flight the imams were kicked off of was operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which is based in Atlanta. It does business with Delta but is not part of Delta.
Ironically, the two made the trip to Charlotte for a conference of imams, where they would be discussing "Islamophobia," the fear of Islam.
"Don't convict them in your mind and heart because you may be uncomfortable with someone who may have a different faith," said Jibril Hough with the Islamic Center of Charlotte.
Their attorney said his office plans to launch an investigation into the incident. If it turns out the pilot was not justified in putting the imams off the plane, his office will sue for negligence and a violation of civil rights. Atlantic Southeast Airlines released a statement and said it apologizes for any inconvenience but it takes security very seriously.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Two Muslim leaders who were removed from a commercial airliner in Memphis said they were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.
Imams Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Azaghloul arrived at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport several hours after they were scheduled to arrive. They were forced off a plane by a pilot on Friday morning.
"It reminded me when the black lady was kicked from the bus because of racism. That history I found today in that plane," said Raham.
Both men passed multiple security clearances by TSA and Delta Airlines before boarding. They were even rescreened after they were pulled off the flight. Rahman said they had no problem being screened multiple times.
"It is their job to do it. It is out job to show our stuff. We don't have anything. We are living in America; we want the security of America," said Rahman.
But still the pilot refused to let them board.
"The only reason the pilot has cited was some of the passengers didn't feel comfortable, but when the passengers were asked if they felt uncomfortable, none of them indicated that they were," said the imams' attorney, Mo Idibili.
The imams said despite urging from Delta officials, the pilot didn't budge. They said Delta management apologized profusely and put them on a later flight. The flight the imams were kicked off of was operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which is based in Atlanta. It does business with Delta but is not part of Delta.
Ironically, the two made the trip to Charlotte for a conference of imams, where they would be discussing "Islamophobia," the fear of Islam.
"Don't convict them in your mind and heart because you may be uncomfortable with someone who may have a different faith," said Jibril Hough with the Islamic Center of Charlotte.
Their attorney said his office plans to launch an investigation into the incident. If it turns out the pilot was not justified in putting the imams off the plane, his office will sue for negligence and a violation of civil rights. Atlantic Southeast Airlines released a statement and said it apologizes for any inconvenience but it takes security very seriously.
Copyright 2011 by WSOCTV.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
05-06-2011, 09:28 PM
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I don't think we have the whole story yet but if what is being said in the media is true. Then got some splaning to do and possibly open them self up for a HUGE Lawsuit
Originally Posted by DashDriverYV
I'd like to hear the Captains side of the story...
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Two Muslim leaders who were removed from a commercial airliner in Memphis said they were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.
Imams Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Azaghloul arrived at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport several hours after they were scheduled to arrive. They were forced off a plane by a pilot on Friday morning.
"It reminded me when the black lady was kicked from the bus because of racism. That history I found today in that plane," said Raham.
Both men passed multiple security clearances by TSA and Delta Airlines before boarding. They were even rescreened after they were pulled off the flight. Rahman said they had no problem being screened multiple times.
"It is their job to do it. It is out job to show our stuff. We don't have anything. We are living in America; we want the security of America," said Rahman.
But still the pilot refused to let them board.
"The only reason the pilot has cited was some of the passengers didn't feel comfortable, but when the passengers were asked if they felt uncomfortable, none of them indicated that they were," said the imams' attorney, Mo Idibili.
The imams said despite urging from Delta officials, the pilot didn't budge. They said Delta management apologized profusely and put them on a later flight. The flight the imams were kicked off of was operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which is based in Atlanta. It does business with Delta but is not part of Delta.
Ironically, the two made the trip to Charlotte for a conference of imams, where they would be discussing "Islamophobia," the fear of Islam.
"Don't convict them in your mind and heart because you may be uncomfortable with someone who may have a different faith," said Jibril Hough with the Islamic Center of Charlotte.
Their attorney said his office plans to launch an investigation into the incident. If it turns out the pilot was not justified in putting the imams off the plane, his office will sue for negligence and a violation of civil rights. Atlantic Southeast Airlines released a statement and said it apologizes for any inconvenience but it takes security very seriously.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Two Muslim leaders who were removed from a commercial airliner in Memphis said they were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.
Imams Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Azaghloul arrived at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport several hours after they were scheduled to arrive. They were forced off a plane by a pilot on Friday morning.
"It reminded me when the black lady was kicked from the bus because of racism. That history I found today in that plane," said Raham.
Both men passed multiple security clearances by TSA and Delta Airlines before boarding. They were even rescreened after they were pulled off the flight. Rahman said they had no problem being screened multiple times.
"It is their job to do it. It is out job to show our stuff. We don't have anything. We are living in America; we want the security of America," said Rahman.
But still the pilot refused to let them board.
"The only reason the pilot has cited was some of the passengers didn't feel comfortable, but when the passengers were asked if they felt uncomfortable, none of them indicated that they were," said the imams' attorney, Mo Idibili.
The imams said despite urging from Delta officials, the pilot didn't budge. They said Delta management apologized profusely and put them on a later flight. The flight the imams were kicked off of was operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which is based in Atlanta. It does business with Delta but is not part of Delta.
Ironically, the two made the trip to Charlotte for a conference of imams, where they would be discussing "Islamophobia," the fear of Islam.
"Don't convict them in your mind and heart because you may be uncomfortable with someone who may have a different faith," said Jibril Hough with the Islamic Center of Charlotte.
Their attorney said his office plans to launch an investigation into the incident. If it turns out the pilot was not justified in putting the imams off the plane, his office will sue for negligence and a violation of civil rights. Atlantic Southeast Airlines released a statement and said it apologizes for any inconvenience but it takes security very seriously.
Copyright 2011 by WSOCTV.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
05-06-2011, 09:45 PM
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05-06-2011, 09:56 PM
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Last week leaving BDL in the hotel van, an AA Capt told me he removed some Middle East terorist looking guys from his aircraft five years ago. The ACLU took it all the way to the Supreme Court. The Judge ruled that the FAR's state that since the Capt is soley responsible for the safe operation, case closed.
05-07-2011, 12:31 AM
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05-07-2011, 05:20 AM
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Story on ajc.com said the plane pushed back then returned to the gate.
Of course you'd want to hear the captain's side of the story, but if ASA's media policy is like, well, everyone's else's, you won't hear a thing unless he gets deposed.
If it was a gate return, you'd think it would be based on something the FA saw.
Of course you'd want to hear the captain's side of the story, but if ASA's media policy is like, well, everyone's else's, you won't hear a thing unless he gets deposed.
If it was a gate return, you'd think it would be based on something the FA saw.
05-07-2011, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by captainv
If it was a gate return, you'd think it would be based on something the FA saw.
05-07-2011, 08:49 AM
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MOD Note: Folks, please be careful about discussing security procedures here.
05-07-2011, 09:40 AM
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If the Capt. really removed them because the other passengers were uncomfortable, he should have removed the "other" passengers. Booting these gents is simply redneck racism at its worst.
05-07-2011, 11:00 AM
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I really don't think racism is part of the problem. Im not saying there aren't racists out there, but after 9/11 99.9% of the American flying public get uncomfortable if they are on a flight with "muslims". There's lots of people that don't think they have a racist bone in their body, but when they see a person sitting 2 seats away that could be perceived as a "muslim" their mind starts thinking. Most people won't say anything, but it does happen.
I'm not saying what the captain did was right. Personally, I would have let them fly, but if you want to call him a racist then you also have to call 99.9% of the flying public racists also. If you would have removed the passengers who were a uncomfortable then the two muslims would have been the only one on the flight. Thats just how people think now, and it will take a long time for people think otherwise. Its just like how people are scared to fly in the first place. You can give them all the facts and tell them you're more likely to die on the way to the airport than on the flight itself, but most people still get nervous while the airplane is throttling up for take-off. The facts and statistics are there, but it doesnt change the way they think.
Let's face it... 9/11 effected more than just the twin towers.
I'm not saying what the captain did was right. Personally, I would have let them fly, but if you want to call him a racist then you also have to call 99.9% of the flying public racists also. If you would have removed the passengers who were a uncomfortable then the two muslims would have been the only one on the flight. Thats just how people think now, and it will take a long time for people think otherwise. Its just like how people are scared to fly in the first place. You can give them all the facts and tell them you're more likely to die on the way to the airport than on the flight itself, but most people still get nervous while the airplane is throttling up for take-off. The facts and statistics are there, but it doesnt change the way they think.
Let's face it... 9/11 effected more than just the twin towers.
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