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Old 06-14-2011 | 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by LAXSAAB
Why would you even consider RAH right now? The company is very unstable, and has a divided pilot group. If you want to fly the 170 go the Compass. BTW the upgrade at RAH is at least 5 years for a new hire. Dont believe what HR tells you!
HR actually said they didn't know & that so much was changing and about to change that it would be unfair to speculate. I appreciated the honesty. It is pilots from multiple carriers including CHQ and S5 that tell me first hand about the movement.

I am not going to have any fans or friends on this forum no matter what I do or don't do. I am simply trying to obtain all available information to make the best decision for mine and my families best interest.

Emotion and opinion only aids in deconstruction of the process. I am after facts. Those of you offering them are very appreciated.

Compass would be a good choice if my current quals supported getting an interview. Who wouldn't take a pic type out of the gates?

I have til the weekend to make up my mind, anyone with verifiable facts to throw in are gentlemen.
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Old 06-14-2011 | 09:50 PM
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It is simply a stepping stone. The quicker I get in, the faster the movement through, the quicker I pop out the other side with turbine pic.

Argue that.
So go to Lakes, Gojet, or Colgan. We don't need any more of your type at RAH.

As we fight for an improvement to our quality of life, your comments are disrespectful.
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Old 06-15-2011 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Oskeewowow
So go to Lakes, Gojet, or Colgan. We don't need any more of your type at RAH.

As we fight for an improvement to our quality of life, your comments are disrespectful.
I disagree, most guys I talk to now see it exactly like this, and are stilling willing to fight to make it better. We all started here to get to something better. This has not changed.
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Old 06-15-2011 | 07:12 PM
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I left RP last fall, but still stay intouch with many of the pilots. According to them, most of the attrition is from FO's leaving. The current upgrade at RP is about what it is everywhere else, but the stablity is not so great. If your low time, RP might be a good place to get some time, and move on. Yea, most pilots at RAH don't plan on staying any longer then they have too. If you do go there, be sure to read your contract, and keep a copy with you!
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Old 06-15-2011 | 07:34 PM
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LAXSAAB is right about most of the attrition being FO's. I checked with a couple of my buddies over at RAH and last month the attrition was 27. 7 Capts. and 20 FO's. According to him the FO's see little future at RAH. They have the top 500 Capts. that are mostly lifers. Many of them did not plan on being lifers, but got caught up in the stall of the hiring at the majors. They now have a decent QOL making a somewhat decent wage and are going to wait it out to see what shakes loose at RAH and the majors over the next few years.

Consequently, any movement is coming from only the bottom 500 Capts. That leaves little hope for the over 1,000 lifers. It may be a long shot to go with RAH, but you might move up the FO ranks, but upgrading could be a really long time. Also, just about anyone over there will tell you that a furlough is very likely. Between the bleeding of red ink and BB needing playing the mgmt strike playbook, there will be furlough in the next year or two. You won't make it up the seniority list quick enough to avoid it.

Both of my friends said -- "Tell him to go to Houston" -- both are current FO's.
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Old 06-16-2011 | 04:23 AM
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How senior is ATL at Shuttle? Also is hired, is it possible to change certificates?

Can you request a specific certificate at the interview?

Thanks
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Old 06-16-2011 | 08:40 AM
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1. Very
2. At the company's whim, not yours
3. You can request whatever you want, but they will do whatever they want with you
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Old 06-16-2011 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AirbornPegasus
LAXSAAB is right about most of the attrition being FO's. I checked with a couple of my buddies over at RAH and last month the attrition was 27. 7 Capts. and 20 FO's. According to him the FO's see little future at RAH. They have the top 500 Capts. that are mostly lifers. Many of them did not plan on being lifers, but got caught up in the stall of the hiring at the majors. They now have a decent QOL making a somewhat decent wage and are going to wait it out to see what shakes loose at RAH and the majors over the next few years.

Consequently, any movement is coming from only the bottom 500 Capts. That leaves little hope for the over 1,000 lifers. It may be a long shot to go with RAH, but you might move up the FO ranks, but upgrading could be a really long time. Also, just about anyone over there will tell you that a furlough is very likely. Between the bleeding of red ink and BB needing playing the mgmt strike playbook, there will be furlough in the next year or two. You won't make it up the seniority list quick enough to avoid it.

Both of my friends said -- "Tell him to go to Houston" -- both are current FO's.

250 of those 500 are going to spittin out that Kool Aid after they get downgraded in 2017, when RAH is reduced to operating 23 Jungle Jets for US AIRWAYS. Thats my prediction.....

Go to XJET. Their pay and work rules are much better.
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Old 06-18-2011 | 07:23 AM
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FWIW, everyone I talk to is planning on bolting, even the senior guys. Just no where really to go yet. Given what's coming with duty rules most of the outstation bases are going to have be severely downsized or closed. Most of the super senior folks are in those places based at home. I expect the attrition will pick up from those high end guys once they are forced to commute. Upgrade is attrition and growth based anywhere you go. Airlines can barely see 6 months into the future, so what looks good today might be crap in 14 months and vice versa. 2012 will tell some of the story regarding upgrade.
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Old 06-18-2011 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LAXSAAB
Why would you even consider RAH right now? The company is very unstable, and has a divided pilot group. If you want to fly the 170 go the Compass. BTW the upgrade at RAH is at least 5 years for a new hire. Dont believe what HR tells you!
The upgrade time will probably be longer than that. When Frontier fails or is divested we will shrink significantly. Many furloughs and downgrades. The top several hundred rah types aren't going anywhere until they are 65. Seek a place with rapid upgrade unless you're choosing a particular regional for what you hope will be your lifetime. That was good advice years ago and was never more true than now. Re-read the post by Mr. Pegasus. He has a good read on things here and good advice as well.
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