I just hope that Bloch gives us the disputes and explanations when he gives us the list, or if not, all 3 SLI/MEC's sit down, together in a public meeting, to directly answer questions pertaining to this process where we can see in person what the facts are.

 

So much about this is priceless comedy.

I can't wait to fly with you guys and laugh at it all over a few beers!

Or Whiskey depending on where I finally fall on the list, lol

 

I'm game for whiskey. First round on me.

 

Already 3 deep brother!!

 

Why? What good would it do?

The fact is we're going to get a list and whether we like it or not, we need to more forward. What does it matter how it got to where it got? We can't change anything at this point anyway.

 

transcripts will be released.

 

So Higney other than you people daring to use your date of hire as your date of hire, what other anomalies were there with your list?

Also, and I know it's not really a point or a debate anymore, just more curious than anything, but what is the deal w/ the 9E SLI proposal? I can't see how a 6 year 9L guy should be lower than a 1 year 9E guy. The category class system doesn't make sense to me as I've heard it described because it seemed to rank jet FOs as a category above turboprop captains. It seems to me that if you were going to use that system, it would be jet CA, Prop CA, Jet FO, prop FO. At our company where we have jets and props, nearly every Jet FO is junior to every Prop captain. In all the years of XJ having both jets and props there has never been a wave of pilots bidding out of prop CA seats so they can be Jet FOs. In fact it's been exactly the opposite. So there's no reason to believe that it will be that way in the new company and the alleged 9E proposal doesn't seem to make any sense.

Of course the problem with the 9L proposal was that it implied that a 30 year pilot was the same as a 7 year pilot. At least with their method no one would have a huge loss, though. The problem with our straight DOH method is that it creates a huge loss for Colgan captains. Another issue is career progression with XJ parking Saabs, but that gets muddy with the flow through and one or two other considerations. It's a turd burger trying to come up with something fair. If I had to choose one I probably would have choosen Colgan's.

 

My opinion has nothing to do with the actual list/changing arbitrated list and "moving forward" singing kumbaya from that.

It is because these people who are apparently sending out vastly different ideas/finger pointings are in/will be running for office/union positions.. If it turns out one person/group lied/exagerrated/flamed whether for political gain or fraud, wouldn't you like to know who it was so you don't vote for them in the next round of elections???? Or are you happy being represented by cheats and liars? There is such a vast difference apparently between what all 3 pilot groups are hearing that something is waaay off, and I want to know why before I vote any of them to represent MY interests.

Samples of what I have heard on this board for reasons I would like to know to find out the truth, among others.....

Wychor supposedly using this stunt of backing up on date of checkride/date of class for hire of 9e pilots, gaining him favor/votes from XJ/9L guys.

SE supposedly giving himself and others increased seniority

100 pilots on 9e lists not matching their seniority date due to furlough/incopetence/fraud/firing

ALPA not supporting the last 9e picket and chastizing us for it

Plus I wanna see which of the internet warriors on here spreading rumors has the balls to apologize on here when the truth comes out.

 

1. Main issues were some terminated guys that got their jobs back, some DOB's that weren't correct, and a group of folks who had a significant difference in class date and check ride date due to a furloughish scenario around 9/11.
2. I didn't create the "method". I was a rep when things started, I was a line pilot when it all came together. When transripts get released you will see that 9E made many changes in methodologies, where the other 2 stuck to their main DOH/relative stances. My "personal" feelings are like none of the 3. If you know my short political background you will understand that I am more for "outside the box" type solutions. I'll keep my thoughts to myself but I do not agree with CA's behind FO's and I also don't feel that the different a/c types are as different as a space shuttle and a C152.

The only points I have been making is to the point of the facts on the battlefield, not the politics surrounding the battle. Each group is tasked with fighting for their own pilots, to do that the to the top ability means pummeling the others. It's a slippery slope, but seniority is a lifeblood.

 

My only request was the 900 to be named "Super premium RJ flying".