Of course not, it's their Airbus seat, and they want it now!!! This seat/seniority grab goes against everything (if anything left) that is holy in our industry. Who is owed what without doing your time or paying your way with blood, sweat, and being scared ****less...

 

How can one reason with this kind of senseless rambling? Do we need to define what a fence is again, and how that will prevent this illusive "seat grab"?

 

exactly. It's not a seat grab at all. It has more to do with protecting the F9 guys from themselves because they don't know this management at all. I could care less about what aircraft I'm flying if I'm paid well and have good work rules. We want them on board with us, not separated from us.

 

How many legacy carriers are represented by the same union that also represents the regional they outsource to? Quite a few. 2 years ago most of us would have been more than open to an in house union. However that time has come and gone. We may be "inexperienced regional guys", but you need to know that we understand our management and their tactics more than you do.

 

The FAPA pilot group communicates with the FAPA BoD continuously. We received the email chain, including the original invite....

"To date, neither FAPA, nor our members have ever been told why IBT representation under your leadership at Local 357 will be beneficial to our interests or an improvement to FAPA.* We are entirely uninformed as to how it will improve our job security, career progression, rates of pay, working conditions, benefits, administration and enforcement of our CBA, or quality of life.

*You have also asserted a desire to simply provide your message to FAPA members.* While you are upset that we did not provide you the direct contact information you requested (which ALPA and UTU also did not provide to you) we invite you to speak directly, in person with our members.*


*We invite you to Denver to speak with a meeting of our members in the first week of June between the 7th and 10th.* We will arrange a meeting in the FAPA offices in Denver for you to share your message with Frontier Pilots.* We would like to set up several times over two days so we can give you the opportunity to speak to the largest possible number. We will also arrange a time for you to meet in MKE with pilots from our MKE domicile.* We think it is very important for you to understand the views of our members and for them to hear why you believe FAPA is so bad, and IBT is so good for them. Feel free to bring another EXCO member along with you.* As part of this invitation, we ask that you provide FAPA the same opportunity to speak with your members at the different domiciles to provide our view of why the Council structure we are proposing in the election is in the best interests of all parties.* Good open honest communication should be the goal.*


*A number of your recent communications to your membership have been forwarded to us in recent weeks. Many of these contain information that is quite negative towards me personally, FAPA leadership and advisors in general, and frankly, quite inaccurate regarding our actions and objectives.* Despite that, you profess to be interested in unity and honesty. *Rather than seeking an accommodation of the interests of hundreds of Frontier Pilots the intent seems to be on forcing IBT representation on our members.* Please understand that we will challenge the accuracy of the statements you have been making. We would like to have an open and honest discussion on those matters and the issues of representation."

Gannon could have brought the entire Exco if he wanted, instead he chose to bring Bourne and Turner.

FAPA wanted to hear from 357. We keep herring about how great the 357 is and how much they have to offer.

We invite 357, and the 357 brings 747 and AD.

I thought you guys were practically independent?

Bad choice by Pat, a majority of our pilots do not participate in message boards and he really could have made a positive impact by speaking to the group.

 

So what do you think is a fair wage? How much of an increase to your hourly wage do you think the IBT is going to get for you?

T5