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Originally Posted by CriticalMach
(Post 1024381)
Thought i should help.
Undoubtedly helpful, however some of what you've highlighted isn't [technically] wrong. In the UK, and most of the EU actually, -ise is the suffix of choice. |
Originally Posted by crustacean
(Post 1024444)
http://i.imgur.com/Jqz5T.jpg
Undoubtedly helpful, however some of what you've highlighted isn't [technically] wrong. In the UK, and most of the EU actually, -ise is the suffix of choice. |
I am another low timer (805/34). Where can I apply? Maybe nowhere yet!
No ATP written yet, working on it now... |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1034551)
I am another low timer (805/34). Where can I apply? Maybe nowhere yet!
No ATP written yet, working on it now... |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 1034605)
7/11 as a cashier?
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Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1034608)
You should think twice before writing. I do have a good paying engineering job and a 6 figure salary. I am just tired of it and wanted to pursue my dream. Go apply to 7/11 yourself!
You may need more Multi time and you will be able to get hooked. |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1034608)
You should think twice before writing. I do have a good paying engineering job and a 6 figure salary. I am just tired of it and wanted to pursue my dream. Go apply to 7/11 yourself!
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Agree sir, need more total time and more multi. But I keep hearing people are getting hired with 500 hours and that there are regionals hiring below their published mins. That's why I asked the question, hoping for a serious answer, not an offensive like the one from HokeyCashier711...
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I never said I was the only one with an education Sir! I am new to this board, I am just looking for some info and you agree his answer wasn't very smart.
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Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1034614)
Agree sir, need more total time and more multi. But I keep hearing people are getting hired with 500 hours and that there are regionals hiring below their published mins. That's why I asked the question, hoping for a serious answer, not an offensive like the one from HokeyCashier711...
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Originally Posted by What
(Post 1034616)
Apply at a regional that gives you the best chances at living at home or close to home, if you plan on moving... Then apply at a regional that gives you the best chances at QOL, so many factors... Regionals are different and all in the same, but the differences can make it or brake it for you. Every regional is/will searching for pilots. Go get current and build some more twin time apply!!!
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BaronRouge
Many here assume the "starving"pilot stereotype and make comments like "try 7-11", but the facts are your job may, after thirty years, prove to be a good outcome and your dream be a nightmare. Have you read thru the many disappointed and disillusioned RJ pilots here, not say nothing about the same category of major airline pilots? I've been in this business for over thirty years, flown everything from Century-series fighters to the newest business jet, with stops at the airlines, active duty and two-bit charter operators. Airlines, truly are where aviation enthusiasm goes to die. Living out of a suitcase, home half of the month, eating umpteen restaurant meals takes a lot of the glamour away, the rest is worn off by bsnkruptcies, lost pensions, economy downturns that reduce captain upgrades to the distant horizon. I have meet vanishingly few pilots happy with their careers as they turned out. One said, "if I knew then what I know now, I'd walked straight into a Herc prop.". I've had as good and interesting career as possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. The serious problem with aviation is one is permanently depending on someone with the capital to buy you a toy to earn a living with and the sure knowledge that 50 other folks would love to take your job for a few dollars less. Buy a plane, fix it up as you want and fly for the fun of it. The most fun is simply cruising around watching the Earth unfold underneath your wings. GF |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1034619)
BaronRouge
Many here assume the "starving"pilot stereotype and make comments like "try 7-11", but the facts are your job may, after thirty years, prove to be a good outcome and your dream be a nightmare. Have you read thru the many disappointed and disillusioned RJ pilots here, not say nothing about the same category of major airline pilots? I've been in this business for over thirty years, flown everything from Century-series fighters to the newest business jet, with stops at the airlines, active duty and two-bit charter operators. Airlines, truly are where aviation enthusiasm goes to die. Living out of a suitcase, home half of the month, eating umpteen restaurant meals takes a lot of the glamour away, the rest is worn off by bsnkruptcies, lost pensions, economy downturns that reduce captain upgrades to the distant horizon. I have meet vanishingly few pilots happy with their careers as they turned out. One said, "if I knew then what I know now, I'd walked straight into a Herc prop.". I've had as good and interesting career as possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. The serious problem with aviation is one is permanently depending on someone with the capital to buy you a toy to earn a living with and the sure knowledge that 50 other folks would love to take your job for a few dollars less. Buy a plane, fix it up as you want and fly for the fun of it. The most fun is simply cruising around watching the Earth unfold underneath your wings. GF After I began flying professionally, I rarely went out and flew for fun. In fact, I haven't taken a joy ride in five years. Don't forget those fantastic lay overs in Paris, Dublin, and Rome: Paris, Illinois; Dublin, Ohio, and Rome, Indiana that is. And when you finally get home from a four day trip, and all you want to do is grab a beer and watch the tube, your wife will be there to say, "Why don't we take advantage of those flight benefits you have and go someplace?" The last thing I will add is regional flying is hard on us old farts. Last month I got a crap schedule: I flew 83 legs and dead headed four more. In one five day stretch, I did 29 legs. In my 20s and 30s, it was work, but now in my late 40s, it is grueling. If your present work is causing bleeding ulcers and making you take a long hard look at razor blades, fine, make a change. But think long and hard before marrying this psycho woman named aviation. |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1034619)
BaronRouge
Many here assume the "starving"pilot stereotype and make comments like "try 7-11", but the facts are your job may, after thirty years, prove to be a good outcome and your dream be a nightmare. Have you read thru the many disappointed and disillusioned RJ pilots here, not say nothing about the same category of major airline pilots? I've been in this business for over thirty years, flown everything from Century-series fighters to the newest business jet, with stops at the airlines, active duty and two-bit charter operators. Airlines, truly are where aviation enthusiasm goes to die. Living out of a suitcase, home half of the month, eating umpteen restaurant meals takes a lot of the glamour away, the rest is worn off by bsnkruptcies, lost pensions, economy downturns that reduce captain upgrades to the distant horizon. I have meet vanishingly few pilots happy with their careers as they turned out. One said, "if I knew then what I know now, I'd walked straight into a Herc prop.". I've had as good and interesting career as possible, but I wouldn't recommend it. The serious problem with aviation is one is permanently depending on someone with the capital to buy you a toy to earn a living with and the sure knowledge that 50 other folks would love to take your job for a few dollars less. Buy a plane, fix it up as you want and fly for the fun of it. The most fun is simply cruising around watching the Earth unfold underneath your wings. GF Many thanks for the time you took to write about your experience! And yes, I have heard the negative picture many times far more than the positive one! The thing is, everytime I put off the idea of flying professionaly, it comes back after some time and stronger than before! And yes, I do own a little 172, that's how I got most of my time while working my demanding full time engineering job. I couldn't have done it otherwise! Now, I got to the point where if I do not do it now, it will never happen (because of my 38 years of age) and I do not want to regret it later. I am not looking for glamor (it's long gone) and money, just looking to do something I enjoy doing. I may just try it and come back to my IT engineering field if it doesn't work out and if I am lucky enough. Again thanks for your perspective, same to you FlyJSH. |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1034898)
Galaxy_Flyer:
Many thanks for the time you took to write about your experience! And yes, I have heard the negative picture many times far more than the positive one! The thing is, everytime I put off the idea of flying professionaly, it comes back after some time and stronger than before! And yes, I do own a little 172, that's how I got most of my time while working my demanding full time engineering job. I couldn't have done it otherwise! Now, I got to the point where if I do not do it now, it will never happen (because of my 38 years of age) and I do not want to regret it later. I am not looking for glamor (it's long gone) and money, just looking to do something I enjoy doing. I may just try it and come back to my IT engineering field if it doesn't work out and if I am lucky enough. Again thanks for your perspective, same to you FlyJSH. You know, I thought I was the ODD sheep in the Herd & the ODD man out, but the more I read this forums, I find that there are a lot of us who have been bitten with the Flying BUG really Bad. I totally agree with you & it is exactly the same here with me, I am 38, decently succesful in life & business & feel the same way that if I don't do it now, I won't be able to do it again ever & will most likely regret it. So what if it doesn't work out, we will still have time to recover in our life & It is better to do it now & regret rather than not do it & then regret it for a lifetime. That way we will just keep on thinking that it could have worked & we didn't even try.. Owning/Renting a small plane & flying the $100 hamburger, which is $300 hamburger these days, doesn't work for me..... The Dream is to Earn the 4 stripes & to COMMAND the heavy ultimately in life...... What will you tell your son or daughter or even YOURSELF when U are 60 or 65 or 75... That U had a dream & but didn't have the courage to pursue it because U were worried about the future of your kids.... Go for it Sir, this is one life, live it your way, don't listen to anyone who says anything negative..... Galaxyflyer & other have done the duty of advising & warning us of the dangers & difficulties but if U look at his resume, I wish I had that... I have done a decent amount of research on this topic. The road is VERY tough but I believe that if one plans well & is financially ready & is flexible, then the odds of being successful are high. If U feel the need, I will be more than happy to compare notes with you.. Most difficult is the getting the 1st regional job, pref at Eagle This is where exactly we need help.... Getting a job without having a full time flying job & I will thankful to anyone for a lifetime who can help me today.... |
Just the outsider here, but if you have children, the more immediate question is what will you tell them, 7 years from now, as a RJ F/O making 36k that they can't go to college or the prom? There are thousands of guys stuck in FO positions going nowhere! The number of "heavy" captains is in the hundreds--I've known only one or two 747 captains among hundreds of airline captains.
It was easy when I was 23 or 24, everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, I owned was transportable in a Ford Pinto. No wife, no kids and I joked that I was the "low cost" pilot. Shift to house, family, middle age and all the risks and downsides become much vaster. Just consider starting an aviation career now, failing even for reasons beyond your control, say another 9/11 blow, and then starting over AGAIN. I, like any good pilot, is seriously conservative with risk. Don't get me wrong, I love my current position, I have an opportunity to fly new business jets just about everywhere, but starting out is tough. I am, flat-out, lucky to be where I am, every time I needed a job, I had friends, commanders who were ready to lend a hand. I never had a serious resume, just call, " hey, I'm looking for a job, any ideas" type of deal. Damned lucky, get friends and then get some more. The best deals are situations where you can grasp a chance outside of the regionals. I recently flew with a guy who turned an office position into a pilot position at a charter operator. He was a pilot with limited experience, but worked, insisted and won a chance in a biz jet. That way avoids the logjam of the regionals, gives you a chance to earn reasonable income, no commuting. But those chances are made by luck and hard work. Everybody is at regionals, get somewhere else, where you might stand out, someplace where flying skills aren't the ONLY criteria to be judged by. Use that "other" life experience to stand out from the crowd. GF |
Originally Posted by Boomer
(Post 1023662)
As long as they don't mind if I put this on my application:
Pay required: $80,000 per year (preferred minimums) |
Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1023745)
DirectTo
I presume you know that most foreign airlines do just that through their cadet programs. That the US Military does the same, putting 500-hour pilots in planes with bombs or with 200K of cargo on international routes with 3 air refuelings planned. It is the type of training, the discipline imposed and the willingness to can those that can't hack it that defines the graduates. GF |
Originally Posted by CANAM
(Post 1024183)
THE NEW MINIMUMS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
The airlines will pay next to nothing as long as people continue to fill ground school classes. In economics, this is known as the Law of Supply and Demand. You will notice that FAR121 furloughed pilots with experience and thousands of hours are not lining up to fly for $21,000/year. |
BTW, to baron rouge (me thinks), you mentioned that you want to "live out your dream"(or something like that). My oh my, are you in for a rude awakening! Flying 121 is 180 degrees from getting in your 172. In your 172, you can fly where you want, when you want, with who you want, as low as you want (see FARS), how you want to fly it, you can stop at any airport you want etc etc etc,............etc.
As a 121 pilot, you WORK when THEY want you to work, you fly what they tell you to, how they want you to fly it, where they want you to fly it, and with whom they want you to fly it with! Etc etc etc I've been both a saab captain and a heavy FO, and it don't matter, they both are WORK. This isn't fun, and anyone who says that it is, is not sure what fun really is. Oh and what galaxy said about providing for a family. Be responsible. You owe it to your kids. This is not some lifetime movie where a parent pursues their dreams and their kids admire them for it. Get real. Cash is king in this world. |
I cringe when you post.
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That's awesome! I figured that most had blacklisted my posts at this point. Thought I was the only one who was actually able to see them.
As far as my posts go, I'm sorry but my rose-colored glasses came off years ago. Btw, love you too! |
Did not know I could block posts, thanks for letting me know, no more cringing.
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Hot Mama, you don't seem to like your job, I don't like mine either! Can we exchange? You will be in an office from 8am to 8pm, sometimes later, going from conference call to conference call, dealing with corporate political BS all day...You will like the compensation for sure :-)
I enjoy flying and I am just looking to make this my job, not looking for admiration as you put it. As for my family, I have one little girl and her college is taken care of. |
Thanks for your post BCPILOT, good luck to you!
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
(Post 1035028)
Just the outsider here, but if you have children, the more immediate question is what will you tell them, 7 years from now, as a RJ F/O making 36k that they can't go to college or the prom? There are thousands of guys stuck in FO positions going nowhere! The number of "heavy" captains is in the hundreds--I've known only one or two 747 captains among hundreds of airline captains.
It was easy when I was 23 or 24, everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, I owned was transportable in a Ford Pinto. No wife, no kids and I joked that I was the "low cost" pilot. Shift to house, family, middle age and all the risks and downsides become much vaster. Just consider starting an aviation career now, failing even for reasons beyond your control, say another 9/11 blow, and then starting over AGAIN. I, like any good pilot, is seriously conservative with risk. Don't get me wrong, I love my current position, I have an opportunity to fly new business jets just about everywhere, but starting out is tough. I am, flat-out, lucky to be where I am, every time I needed a job, I had friends, commanders who were ready to lend a hand. I never had a serious resume, just call, " hey, I'm looking for a job, any ideas" type of deal. Damned lucky, get friends and then get some more. The best deals are situations where you can grasp a chance outside of the regionals. I recently flew with a guy who turned an office position into a pilot position at a charter operator. He was a pilot with limited experience, but worked, insisted and won a chance in a biz jet. That way avoids the logjam of the regionals, gives you a chance to earn reasonable income, no commuting. But those chances are made by luck and hard work. Everybody is at regionals, get somewhere else, where you might stand out, someplace where flying skills aren't the ONLY criteria to be judged by. Use that "other" life experience to stand out from the crowd. GF Yes, you have a great advice there, I am not only looking at regionals but at everything else. The regionals are using pilots paying them next to nothing, I just want to use them too and get the time. And yea, I need to look for "luck" and friends just like you, LOL. |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1035263)
Hot Mama, you don't seem to like your job, I don't like mine either! Can we exchange? You will be in an office from 8am to 8pm, sometimes later, going from conference call to conference call, dealing with corporate political BS all day...You will like the compensation for sure :-)
I enjoy flying and I am just looking to make this my job, not looking for admiration as you put it. As for my family, I have one little girl and her college is taken care of. I have a great Job, a decent business in Real Estate which makes EASY 6 figures annually that one can live comfortably. I would love to exchange my job with anyone who hates their job flying a 737 or a 320 or ATR or CRJ 700 or E170/190. Open offer, to Any regional FO who thinks that he is stuck making 36K, I can easily put that that guy in IT support making 60-75k or REAL ESTATE making 80-100k & I will take his job flying anyone of the above mentioned planes....... U give me your job which U HATE SO MUCH & I will give U mine..... |
i don't think that hotmamapilot doesn't like her job, she's just trying to point out to you that it's not what you think it is. you'd be surprised how many people really consider getting out of flying tomorrow but they can't because they put too much into it.
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Most of the enthusiasm is coming from people who have less than a year on the job. Give it some more time and then come back.
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Originally Posted by Cruz5350
(Post 1035313)
Most of the enthusiasm is coming from people who have less than a year on the job. Give it some more time and then come back.
I know the struggle & the frustration & lack of adequate income at the initial stage in aviation. That is what made me quit once. But that doesn't mean we start discouraging every newcomer by posting the HORROR stories.... Giving a true picture & discouraging are 2 different things...... If it is so BAD then why are so many stuck in it......... This is a free country, no one is holding any regional pilot hostage or to forced labour.. I have seen both sides, flying job with very little income, no room for progression, no growth and lot of frustration & non flying job with very decent money and a lot of unhappiness & dis-satisfaction in personal & professional life. That is why people like me & baronrouge are here to seek advise & help not ridicule & negativity....... |
Originally Posted by BaronRouge380
(Post 1035267)
Thanks for your post BCPILOT, good luck to you!
BTW which part US are U located |
Originally Posted by unitedflyier
(Post 1035149)
Keep dreaming. In my 10th year at United I made less than $80k. You are in the wrong industry.:eek:
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Originally Posted by Terantious
(Post 1024295)
I have to say dude, do you have the "English Proficient" endorsement because your spelling is horrid.
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@BaronRouge
As long as you are financially secure (which you seem to be) and as long as your family supports you (which I assume they do), then good luck to you! When my husband wanted to fulfill his dream of becoming a pilot, we planned, prepared, prayed and made the jump. We always expect the worst. Expect the worst and be prepared. In the four years that we've been living on less than half of what we used to live on, we've actually been able to start a "furlough fund."
For me, personally, I didn't get my husband back until he started flying. He was so miserable at his old job he was a different person. Any sacrifice has been worth it. |
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Watch the above two videos. 100% true
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I've seen them both. Yawn...
I'm editing this to agree with you-it is all true, but if you prepare for it and EXPECT it, you can deal with it and make it work. |
BaronRouge,
I was in my 40s when I go hired at a regional. I left a 6 figure engineering career for a regional FO position, and I do not regret it, even though first year pay was less than I made in 1989. I was miserable in my other job, although I made good money. I had a very realistic outlook on what flying for an airline was before I did it, and as such, have not become completely jaded due to false expectations. My wife tells me that I 'am back', kind of like FlyWife's husband. My youngest kid (senior in high school) tells me that she never wants me to go back to what I was doing before because I actually enjoy what I do for the first time in her life, and because I am a lot more fun now! I also have a little Cessna I fly regularly. It is more fun to fly than a CRJ, but as far as work is concerned, this really isn't a bad job when you keep it in context. For example, I don't live to work, I work to support my life, so I have based my life on monthly minimum pay and take the maximum number of days off. I have 16 days off in August. I could NEVER do that with an engineering job. When I park the airplane, I go home and don't think about it, the passengers, etc... again until I show back up at the airport. I could NEVER do that with an engineering job because I always had problems I had to deal with, and I took them home with me. I had chest pains in my 30's with my engineering job, but my blood pressure was lower at my last medical than it has been in 10 years. It is a job, but much more enjoyable, especially after the door closes, than anything I have done with my pant on! Good luck! PM me if I can help. |
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