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DrangonStar45 07-17-2011 12:09 AM


Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1023738)
Have those 1000 hrs guys put in their apps & also, do the 1000 hrs guys have the Multi time & meet all other requirements.......

If yes to all, then YES, I agree, the 1000 hrs guys should be picked before 500 hrs guys get looked at....

But, isn't it that Eagle was at 800/100 Hrs for a good 5 to 6 months, what could be the reason they dropped to 500/50 if there were tons of 1000 hrs guys applying ........

Well this 1000 hour pilot keeps on getting "Thanks but no thanks" emails. I do not have any failed check ride, completely clean driving record.

rickair7777 07-17-2011 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by galaxy flyer (Post 1023745)
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I presume you know that most foreign airlines do just that through their cadet programs. That the US Military does the same, putting 500-hour pilots in planes with bombs or with 200K of cargo on international routes with 3 air refuelings planned. It is the type of training, the discipline imposed and the willingness to can those that can't hack it that defines the graduates.

GF

But those programs are very rigorous, and require at least one (more likely multiple) interview.

US programs have only one admission criteria: Credit Score (failing that, Daddy's credit score).

They also have only one graduation criteria: Can you pay for enough remedial training to get you through?

There are some real losers out there, and many of them can be successfully trained as switch monkeys. That doesn't mean you want to spend 4 days with them, or have to rely on them in a pinch, or let your family fly with them after they upgrade.

We had a guy like that at my last flight school...classic pompous loser with passive/aggressive, insecurities, etc. I lost track of what happened to him, but I know he flunked several regional interviews back in the day. That guy was the poster child for why airlines need to evaluate the whole person and not just the numbers.

FlyJSH 07-17-2011 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by DrangonStar45 (Post 1023940)
Well this 1000 hour pilot keeps on getting "Thanks but no thanks" emails. I do not have any failed check ride, completely clean driving record.

If only you had the Shiny Jet Bridge class. We all know
that really makes a pilot :rolleyes:

rickair7777 07-17-2011 03:08 AM


Originally Posted by DrangonStar45 (Post 1023940)
Well this 1000 hour pilot keeps on getting "Thanks but no thanks" emails. I do not have any failed check ride, completely clean driving record.

It might be one of two things...

- Lack of Internal Recommendations. If you don't have any, shake your network and try to get some. Nothing gets you called faster than your buddy walking your resume into the recruiter's office. In many cases she'll have your resume in one hand and the phone in the other as soon as he walks out the door.

- Mistake in your resume or online application. Go through this again with a fine-tooth comb. Have a pilot buddy also go through everything as a backup. I cannot over-emphasize this.

- Resume: Must have no mistakes, none at all.
- Flight Time: Should all make sense and add up. TT=SE+ME (unless you have helo, glider time)
- Airline apps does weird things. I have heard of boxes checking themselves...make sure you don't have a dis-qualifer box checked (criminal, DUI, etc).

After all that, start updating your resume every six months or anytime you get a new rating) and maybe get more aggressive, ie calling recruiters. You can also attend job fairs, that has worked for many people.

Once you have done everything you can, be patient...sometimes it can take 6-12 months to get called even if everything is good.

snippercr 07-17-2011 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1023959)
- Airline apps does weird things. I have heard of boxes checking themselves...make sure you don't have a dis-qualifer box checked (criminal, DUI, etc).

What rick said! I am 99.99% sure I had a box checked correctly. I even had 2 other people comb through my application and resume for mistakes. It's possible all 3 of us could have missed it but I doubt it. It was some question about ever being fired for misconduct or anything like that. Fortunately, it was before I had my multi time so I dont think any airline looked at it yet.

Double check that application. Also, in AirlineApps, under "My Application" click "Compare Application" and compare yours to what the company you are applying wants. It's possible you are missing something like ATP written, current 3rd class medical, required pension for buggery, etc.

Good luck. I was well into my 1000s of hours before I got calls. For me it was the lack of multi engine time. I have a co worker who is in even worse shape. Almost 1800 hours TT but only 38 hours multi. Now I ask everyone here... who would they rather trust - someone with 500TT and 50 hours multi or someone with 1800 hours and 38 hours multi.

Either way, good luck.

minimwage4 07-17-2011 04:39 AM

just apply and see what happens. but make no mistake about it just because you get an interview does not automatically mean you can make it thru airline training. I saw many poor souls in training go into the abyss last low time hiring wave cuz they thought if the company managed to give them an interview and hire them it'd mean they were qualified to be an airline pilot.

Rnav 07-17-2011 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1023972)
Almost 1800 hours TT but only 38 hours multi. Now I ask everyone here... who would they rather trust - someone with 500TT and 50 hours multi or someone with 1800 hours and 38 hours multi.

1800 hrs flying around VFR in the right seat of an C150 at a non-towered airport in the middle of nowhere? If the 500TT person is flying in congested class B,C airspace IFR all the time I'd take the 500hr person. Just my opinion...

bcpilot 07-17-2011 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Rnav (Post 1024022)
1800 hrs flying around VFR in the right seat of an C150 at a non-towered airport in the middle of nowhere? If the 500TT person is flying in congested class B,C airspace IFR all the time I'd take the 500hr person. Just my opinion...

My initial reaction and for the matter, anyone's initial reaction would be, Oh wow, nice 1800 hrs but then on second & closer look, the quality of flying would come to play & make a difference.

How a HR guy knows what quality of flying with out looking at the logbook,?? well, by looking at the A/c U have flown, most amount of one has time in an A/c & last A/c flown...

Now that may not paint an exact or true picture in all cases, it does give a very good idea of what a person has been doing.....

One question which comes to mind is .... Mine or a recruiter, How did this guy keep going to 1800 hrs without thinking what he needs in his resume/profile, what he will need for his Future & career, That he needs to get multi time.
So, what that tells me abt this 1800 hr guy, is that either he lacks vision or direction or he is not focussed on his career or this guy is too comfortable where he is or way too lazy to make things happen or just expects things to be handed to him on a platter....

That may not be the exactly the case, coz his personal situation may have prevented him from moving or doing anything and if that is the case then it is different.

But Still, 1800 hrs takes at least 2-3 yrs to get and too on a fast pace, and Only 38 hrs multi in 1800 hrs... and if those 1800 hrs are towing banners, gliders, then U tell me what is that experience worth, especially from an airline recruiters point of view........

I can guarantee U, with 1800 hrs, this guy doesn't have an ATP because he thinks he doesn't need ATP for his kind of operation, or even ATP written cleared...... one of the least expensive thing on the resume.......

Then obvisiously, a GUY who has CFI CFII & MEI with 500 hrs TT & 50-100 hrs on a multi, flying in & out of classs B & C everyday with his students & teaching & authorising solo for his students in Class C & B; One who has the Instrument Pilots manual memorised by teaching it everday, who flyies NIGHT & actual IMC every other day teaching his students, that guy has more relevant experience & looks more attractive.

Macjet 07-17-2011 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1023738)
have those 1000 hrs guys put in their apps & also, do the 1000 hrs guys have the multi time & meet all other requirements.......

not a lot, but yes, some are. We have a few of our furloughed who have applied at the likes of eagle, mesaba, skywest, etc.

if yes to all, then yes, i agree, the 1000 hrs guys should be picked before 500 hrs guys get looked at....

none of our guys are being hired. I applied with skywest right after i was furloughed because i needed another employer contact for that weeks ui. I was promptly denied as i "didn't meet their qualifications" for the position. 4000+tt, 2500+me, 2300+pic, and 3 types. I was laughing for a week.

but, isn't it that eagle was at 800/100 hrs for a good 5 to 6 months, what could be the reason they dropped to 500/50 if there were tons of 1000 hrs guys applying ........

make no mistake. There isn't a shortage of pilots. There is a shortage willing to work for so little. I didn't even apply at eagle when i needed employer contacts for unemployment simply because the application was too long. Instead i just blasted off apps to a340 jobs in asia.

It is a win-win though. Those of us with experience don't want to work there and the regionals don't want pilots with experience.


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Edit: What happened to my punctuation?

CANAM 07-17-2011 02:36 PM

THE NEW MINIMUMS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
The airlines will pay next to nothing as long as people continue to fill ground school classes. In economics, this is known as the Law of Supply and Demand.

You will notice that FAR121 furloughed pilots with experience and thousands of hours are not lining up to fly for $21,000/year.


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