Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1023972)

It's possible you are missing something like ATP written, current 3rd class medical, required pension for buggery, etc.

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Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1024052)

My initial reaction and for the matter, anyone's initial reaction would be, Oh wow, nice 1800 hrs but then on second & closer look, the quality of flying would come to play & make a difference.

How a HR guy knows what quality of flying with out looking at the logbook,?? well, by looking at the A/c U have flown, most amount of one has time in an A/c & last A/c flown...

Now that may not paint an exact or true picture in all cases, it does give a very good idea of what a person has been doing.....

One question which comes to mind is .... Mine or a recruiter, How did this guy keep going to 1800 hrs without thinking what he needs in his resume/profile, what he will need for his Future & career, That he needs to get multi time.
So, what that tells me abt this 1800 hr guy, is that either he lacks vision or direction or he is not focussed on his career or this guy is too comfortable where he is or way too lazy to make things happen or just expects things to be handed to him on a platter....

That may not be the exactly the case, coz his personal situation may have prevented him from moving or doing anything and if that is the case then it is different.

But Still, 1800 hrs takes at least 2-3 yrs to get and too on a fast pace, and Only 38 hrs multi in 1800 hrs... and if those 1800 hrs are towing banners, gliders, then U tell me what is that experience worth, especially from an airline recruiters point of view........

I can guarantee U, with 1800 hrs, this guy doesn't have an ATP because he thinks he doesn't need ATP for his kind of operation, or even ATP written cleared...... one of the least expensive thing on the resume.......

Then obvisiously, a GUY who has CFI CFII & MEI with 500 hrs TT & 50-100 hrs on a multi, flying in & out of classs B & C everyday with his students & teaching & authorising solo for his students in Class C & B; One who has the Instrument Pilots manual memorised by teaching it everday, who flyies NIGHT & actual IMC every other day teaching his students, that guy has more relevant experience & looks more attractive.

Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1024052)

My initial reaction and for the matter, anyone's initial reaction would be, Oh wow, nice 1800 hrs but then on second & closer look, the quality of flying would come to play & make a difference.

How a HR guy knows what quality of flying with out looking at the logbook,?? well, by looking at the A/c U have flown, most amount of one has time in an A/c & last A/c flown...

Now that may not paint an exact or true picture in all cases, it does give a very good idea of what a person has been doing.....

One question which comes to mind is .... Mine or a recruiter, How did this guy keep going to 1800 hrs without thinking what he needs in his resume/profile, what he will need for his Future & career, That he needs to get multi time.
So, what that tells me abt this 1800 hr guy, is that either he lacks vision or direction or he is not focussed on his career or this guy is too comfortable where he is or way too lazy to make things happen or just expects things to be handed to him on a platter....

That may not be the exactly the case, coz his personal situation may have prevented him from moving or doing anything and if that is the case then it is different.

But Still, 1800 hrs takes at least 2-3 yrs to get and too on a fast pace, and Only 38 hrs multi in 1800 hrs... and if those 1800 hrs are towing banners, gliders, then U tell me what is that experience worth, especially from an airline recruiters point of view........

I can guarantee U, with 1800 hrs, this guy doesn't have an ATP because he thinks he doesn't need ATP for his kind of operation, or even ATP written cleared...... one of the least expensive thing on the resume.......

Then obvisiously, a GUY who has CFI CFII & MEI with 500 hrs TT & 50-100 hrs on a multi, flying in & out of classs B & C everyday with his students & teaching & authorising solo for his students in Class C & B; One who has the Instrument Pilots manual memorised by teaching it everday, who flyies NIGHT & actual IMC every other day teaching his students, that guy has more relevant experience & looks more attractive.

Originally Posted by Bellanca (Post 1024334)

There are a lot of schools that won't let a CFI touch a multi unless they are one of the more senior CFIs. In the last 2 and a half years when nobody was hiring, senior CFIs weren't moving out and the 'newer' guys didn't get any multi time. Then those 'newer' guys were left sitting at 1200-2000 hours with very low multi time. I know a lot of people that were in the same boat that this person is in.

The fact is that most airlines filter out applicants with low multi time without looking at the quality of their hours. Some of the people I know that have high TT and low multi worked at a school based at a Class C airport, took students into actual, into other class C's and B's, etc., but all of that doesn't matter when your app gets auto-filtered out because of one number.

I guess the dude/gal that bought 50 or more hours of split time in a multi going for $100 hamburgers while logging 'under the hood' time for half of it is probably so much more qualified than an 1800 hour CFI.

As for the, "How did this guy keep going to 1800 hrs without thinking what he needs in his resume/profile... ...That he needs to get multi time"
This happened over the last couple years, when nobody was hiring and there were a lot of people on the streets looking for whatever flying job they could get. More flight schools were going bankrupt closing every week, there were lots of CFI's with 500-1000+ hours out of work. Assuming he was in a decent CFI job, possibly a salaried position and guaranteed students I'm sure he couldn't afford to leave it. Flying and getting some time, even if it is only single engine, is a hell of a lot better for the resume than very little to no flying at all.

Originally Posted by Terantious (Post 1024295)

Well, maybe the guy/gal with 1800 hours can`t afford the ATP just yet, so i would not make guarantees just yet. And last time i checked usually multi time is not handed down to CFI`s on a silver platter. Mommy and daddy don`t support all pilots ya know :)

So because the 500 hour wonder CFI can memorize the instrument pilots manual makes him more attractive? So if i can memorize "Charlie Brown Comics", does that make me more attractive too? Memorization only gets you so far before you need to actually apply what you know.

I have to say dude, do you have the "English Proficient" endorsement because your spelling is horrid.

Originally Posted by Macjet (Post 1024136)

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none of our guys are being hired. I applied with skywest right after i was furloughed because i needed another employer contact for that weeks ui. I was promptly denied as i "didn't meet their qualifications" for the position. 4000+tt, 2500+me, 2300+pic, and 3 types. I was laughing for a week.

make no mistake. There isn't a shortage of pilots. There is a shortage willing to work for so little. I didn't even apply at eagle when i needed employer contacts for unemployment simply because the application was too long. Instead i just blasted off apps to a340 jobs in asia.

It is a win-win though. Those of us with experience don't want to work there and the regionals don't want pilots with experience.

Edit: What happened to my punctuation?

Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1024358)

can u pls be kind enough to point out where i have mis-spelled, so i can correct that....

Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1024052)

My initial reaction and for the matter, anyone's initial reaction would be, Oh wow, nice 1800 hrs but then on second & closer look, the quality of flying would come to play & make a difference.

How a HR guy knows what quality of flying with out looking at the logbook,?? well, by looking at the A/c U have flown, most amount of one has time in an A/c & last A/c flown...

Now that may not paint an exact or true picture in all cases, it does give a very good idea of what a person has been doing.....

One question which comes to mind is .... Mine or a recruiter, How did this guy keep going to 1800 hrs without thinking what he needs in his resume/profile, what he will need for his Future & career, That he needs to get multi time.
So, what that tells me abt this 1800 hr guy, is that either he lacks vision or direction or he is not focussed on his career or this guy is too comfortable where he is or way too lazy to make things happen or just expects things to be handed to him on a platter....

That may not be the exactly the case, coz his personal situation may have prevented him from moving or doing anything and if that is the case then it is different.

But Still, 1800 hrs takes at least 2-3 yrs to get and too on a fast pace, and Only 38 hrs multi in 1800 hrs... and if those 1800 hrs are towing banners, gliders, then U tell me what is that experience worth, especially from an airline recruiters point of view........

I can guarantee U, with 1800 hrs, this guy doesn't have an ATP because he thinks he doesn't need ATP for his kind of operation, or even ATP written cleared...... one of the least expensive thing on the resume.......

Then obvisiously, a GUY who has CFI CFII & MEI with 500 hrs TT & 50-100 hrs on a multi, flying in & out of classs B & C everyday with his students & teaching & authorising solo for his students in Class C & B; One who has the Instrument Pilots manual memorised by teaching it everday, who flyies NIGHT & actual IMC every other day teaching his students, that guy has more relevant experience & looks more attractive.

Originally Posted by CriticalMach (Post 1024377)

. :d

Originally Posted by bcpilot (Post 1024383)

That's ALL U could find as mis-spelled to critcize.......