Shuttle-E170 or SkyWest-CRJ from Los Angeles?
#41
You'll need 100/100. As for being noticed, go to one of the two pilot job fairs we have coming up.
#43
Lots of threads on headsets in CRJ's. Do a search.
I've changed the title to reflect the OP lives in Los Angeles in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
To the original topic, I was fired from SkyWest (under a policy that no longer exists) and I would recommend SkyWest.
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Lots of threads on headsets in CRJ's. Do a search.
I've changed the title to reflect the OP lives in Los Angeles in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
To the original topic, I was fired from SkyWest (under a policy that no longer exists) and I would recommend SkyWest.
I've changed the title to reflect the OP lives in Los Angeles in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.
To the original topic, I was fired from SkyWest (under a policy that no longer exists) and I would recommend SkyWest.
#45
Been discussed ad nauseum here. Do a search. I was a failed EMB-120 (from CRJ FO) captain upgrade. The policy was automatic and immediate sacking, which is not the case now. And, no, that won't rehire me now. I've asked !!! Also, I believe I was the VERY LAST ONE FIRED UNDER THAT POLICY (AUG 11, 2008).
Overall, yes they do fired many compared to other airlines. One famous firing was reversed with an expensive court action.
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 07-18-2011 at 10:44 AM.
#46
As i understand it the "Up or Out" policy TW's speaking of was implemented back in the 90's by an old Eastern pilot who achieved a high position at SKW. I've been told the guy was a real.......well not a "pilots" pilot if you catch my drift. The policy was never reversed cause nobody cared enough and those terminated were hushed as they were shown the door. You know, "out of sight, out of mind" equals no uproar from the majority. After SKW implemented the new shortened foot print for RJ FO's who upgraded to CA (trying to save money) the failure rate increased dramatically and the company took notice at how much $ they were actually losing. It was the money that caused the company to back peddle. Unfortunately good pilots like TW were let go and became victims of an out of date policy by a rogue pilot supervisor.
SkyWest is a good company, one of the best, but without representation rogue managers can implement BS policies at a moments notice and all we can do is b1tch and CYA in a major way. SAPA does about as good a job as they can do in this department and the SAPA rep (RJ) we have running the discipline committee any union shop would kill to have.
Note: I'm sure someone will use this posting to criticize us for remaining non-union. And although I am Pro-Pilot-Union, attacking SkyWest pilots (again) will cause them to become emotionally angry with you which they will then relate to all union members creating an even steeper uphill climb we organizers will have to face. So PLEASE, If you have nothing positive to add please reframe as you are hindering our efforts and damaging our creditability. Thank you.
Forgive my errors as I used my iPhone for this long posting.
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SkyWest attempts many terminations per year, as does every airline, and the larger you are the more it happens. Many deserve to be terminated for reasons such as sexual harassment, drugs, alcohol, etc. Almost all of the BS attempts fail and the pilot retains his/her job, but a few have slipped through the cracks for the courts to deal with... and they do, usually not in SKW favor. In all very few end up walking and what they did would have caused their termination from any union or non-union shop.
As i understand it the "Up or Out" policy TW's speaking of was implemented back in the 90's by an old Eastern pilot who achieved a high position at SKW. I've been told the guy was a real.......well not a "pilots" pilot if you catch my drift. The policy was never reversed cause nobody cared enough and those terminated were hushed as they were shown the door. You know, "out of sight, out of mind" equals no uproar from the majority. After SKW implemented the new shortened foot print for RJ FO's who upgraded to CA (trying to save money) the failure rate increased dramatically and the company took notice at how much $ they were actually losing. It was the money that caused the company to back peddle. Unfortunately good pilots like TW were let go and became victims of an out of date policy by a rogue pilot supervisor.
SkyWest is a good company, one of the best, but without representation rogue managers can implement BS policies at a moments notice and all we can do is b1tch and CYA in a major way. SAPA does about as good a job as they can do in this department and the SAPA rep (RJ) we have running the discipline committee any union shop would kill to have.
Note: I'm sure someone will use this posting to criticize us for remaining non-union. And although I am Pro-Pilot-Union, attacking SkyWest pilots (again) will cause them to become emotionally angry with you which they will then relate to all union members creating an even steeper uphill climb we organizers will have to face. So PLEASE, If you have nothing positive to add please reframe as you are hindering our efforts and damaging our creditability. Thank you.
Forgive my errors as I used my iPhone for this long posting.
As i understand it the "Up or Out" policy TW's speaking of was implemented back in the 90's by an old Eastern pilot who achieved a high position at SKW. I've been told the guy was a real.......well not a "pilots" pilot if you catch my drift. The policy was never reversed cause nobody cared enough and those terminated were hushed as they were shown the door. You know, "out of sight, out of mind" equals no uproar from the majority. After SKW implemented the new shortened foot print for RJ FO's who upgraded to CA (trying to save money) the failure rate increased dramatically and the company took notice at how much $ they were actually losing. It was the money that caused the company to back peddle. Unfortunately good pilots like TW were let go and became victims of an out of date policy by a rogue pilot supervisor.
SkyWest is a good company, one of the best, but without representation rogue managers can implement BS policies at a moments notice and all we can do is b1tch and CYA in a major way. SAPA does about as good a job as they can do in this department and the SAPA rep (RJ) we have running the discipline committee any union shop would kill to have.
Note: I'm sure someone will use this posting to criticize us for remaining non-union. And although I am Pro-Pilot-Union, attacking SkyWest pilots (again) will cause them to become emotionally angry with you which they will then relate to all union members creating an even steeper uphill climb we organizers will have to face. So PLEASE, If you have nothing positive to add please reframe as you are hindering our efforts and damaging our creditability. Thank you.
Forgive my errors as I used my iPhone for this long posting.
It was TWA, not Eastern. Several very good f.o.'s got fired under this up or out policy. One in particular had been a chief pilot up in Alaska before coming here, and got very sick during the upgrade process, even went into the hospital. They pushed him to hurry up and finish up before he was fully recovered and even though he didn't feel up to it agreed to come back sooner than the doctor recommended and they canned him...REAL NICE
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It was TWA, not Eastern. Several very good f.o.'s got fired under this up or out policy. One in particular had been a chief pilot up in Alaska before coming here, and got very sick during the upgrade process, even went into the hospital. They pushed him to hurry up and finish up before he was fully recovered and even though he didn't feel up to it agreed to come back sooner than the doctor recommended and they canned him...REAL NICE
I'm glad the policies gone and I'm sorry guys and gals like “T-Dubba” fell victim. I've spent time with him and I can honestly say he's both a highly skilled pilot and a fantastic guy.
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