David Watts

It's actually 3 hours min guarantee for a day that is scheduled and 3.75 for a day off. So on a calander day lay over you get 3 hours of pay for sitting around a hotel. If you work a 2 day trip that only flies an hour a day you will get 7.5 only if they are off days or 6 hours if it is scheduled.

Most 4 day trips out of IAH are between 20 and 24 hours and out of EWR are a little less with 18 to 21 hours. Out of EWR though you will get a lot more overs so the trips will still be close to 20 to 24 hours.

We get leg by leg overs and day by day so they can really add up with any long taxis.

The min day pay is the same for line holders or reserve. If you are on reserve though you will get unproductive trips usually though. Broken up 4 days worth 15 or less hours.

fosters

Thanks for the heads up. Does freezing work at the same company? LOL. I had thought XJT had rigs based on some previous comments but I guess not.

Here it's the same 3 hour min day pay (reserve 4:10 or 2-day long call lineholder reserve is 4:30), 4.5 hour min day on a day off. 2:1 duty rig per day and 4:1 trip rig (essentially making 4-days worth a min of 20 hours, although I would say the average is 20-22 before overages), along with block or better on a leg by leg basis (same at XJT). We wouldn't get the 3 hours of pay on a layover but the 4:1 duty rig takes over, basically guaranteeing (sp?) us an average of 4.75-5.0 hours of pay per day on a 75-80-hour TAFB 4-day (normal). IE one day could be 7.5 hours of pay, the next could be 2.5 (although the min day of 3.0 credit would take over at that point, so you'd end up with an additional 0.5 credit that day). It equals out in the long run though. The rigs are just there to force the company to make efficeint schedules, or penalize them if they do not (by paying us for wasting our time). Same protections you have with getting cx, mx, extended (premium pay) etc.

I think you guys have us beat on the flica stuff though. The company likes to retain control of our flica. It isn't automated.

freezingflyboy

Yes, I work at XJT...my response was not that far from the truth Fosters. Where I was under the impression that it was 3.75 hrs/day was because in our contract it says that minimum pay for a 4-day trip is 15 hours of flight pay (which works out to 3.75 hours per day). But Watts is correct, it is 3 hours min per duty day or 3.75 on a day off.

David Watts

hey fosters it sounds pretty good over there with your work rules. It might take me some time to fugure all that out though.

We use to have a lot of 33 hour over nights in Mexico and else where and we would only get 2 hours of pay so we got it brought up to 3 hours in the new contract. Since than they have really cut back on the longer layovers. We have no trip or duty rigs just the min 3 hour pay a day and 4 day trips have to be built to atleast 15 hours or maybe 14 hours I can't remember.

The other thing for our reserve call out we have short and long call. Short is 2 hours and long is 12. I am pretty sure there is also a preference of will fly, no fly, or no preference. I haven't been on reserve for 6 years so I'm not to up to date on that stuff just what I hear.

By the way what is flica?

freezingflyboy

Got one of those 33 hour Mexico overnight next week

Reserve is will-fly or no preference. But if you bid one of the later short-call callout times and leave yourself as no preference, its like bidding no-fly.

fosters

Same thing for us - we can choose a preference as to if we want to fly or not. I like our 2-day reserve call out though. That's what I generally bid (even as a line holder). I have a friend that sits "reserve" on a sailboat...in St. Martin .

Flica is the program that we use for bidding, trip trades/drops/adds, etc. It can be automated but the company chooses to keep it under their control. Can't win 'em all I guess.

dojetdriver

Which company has a 2 day call out?

fosters

AWAC; regular reserve is 2 hours, Long Call is 2 days.