Pinnacle Pilot Concessions
12-10-2011 | 03:53 AM
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Pinnacle Pilot Concessions
“Unlike those employees, we will have the opportunity to determine in what ways our contract will be modified during the restructuring phase, should the need arise.”- ALPA Fastread
I’m sorry the only reason I voted in favor of this contract was to bring in scope. As bad as it is, whipsaw is worse in my mind. I have always thought this contract was sub-par and you will get a big NO vote on any concessions unless it comes with tremendously better work rules (which defeats the purpose).
So listen ALPA- NO CONCESSIONS NO MATTER HOW MUCH DOOM AND GLOOM.
I’m sorry the only reason I voted in favor of this contract was to bring in scope. As bad as it is, whipsaw is worse in my mind. I have always thought this contract was sub-par and you will get a big NO vote on any concessions unless it comes with tremendously better work rules (which defeats the purpose).
So listen ALPA- NO CONCESSIONS NO MATTER HOW MUCH DOOM AND GLOOM.
12-10-2011 | 05:35 AM
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The pilots are the one labor force that can make or break an airline in this type of financial hardship. If the union rolls on their back and takes concessions, we all know what will happen: minimum effort initiatives by the pilot group and the "burn it to the ground" mentality. NO CONCESSIONS: it's what's best for the company.
12-10-2011 | 05:47 AM
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DO NOT succumb to management scare tactics guys. At XJT, we foolishly went down this path. Same scenario. Doom and gloom if we didn't give in. What a crock of sh!t that turned out to be. We gave the money back and management walked away with $35 million in golden parachutes when the place was sold to Uncle Jerry.
In the end, it made no difference whatsoever. DON'T DO IT. FULL PAY TILL THE LAST DAY!!!
In the end, it made no difference whatsoever. DON'T DO IT. FULL PAY TILL THE LAST DAY!!!
12-10-2011 | 07:22 AM
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DO NOT succumb to management scare tactics guys. At XJT, we foolishly went down this path. Same scenario. Doom and gloom if we didn't give in. What a crock of sh!t that turned out to be. We gave the money back and management walked away with $35 million in golden parachutes when the place was sold to Uncle Jerry.
In the end, it made no difference whatsoever. DON'T DO IT. FULL PAY TILL THE LAST DAY!!!
In the end, it made no difference whatsoever. DON'T DO IT. FULL PAY TILL THE LAST DAY!!!
The pilot group and the PNCL MEC has 2 choices. And 2 HARD CHOICES.
1. Take small concessions in work-rules, pay or contract sections in an effort to help the company reach their desired financial results.
OR
2. Take their chance in bankruptcy court and have a judge throw out your contract, your 401k match, unilaterally cut pay and most likely cut flying which would lead to MASS job losses.
I don't know if any of you guys look at your companies balance sheets, but it is CLEAR by indications of cashflow and expected costs that the company is in trouble. There is something deeper in the company that is not making money. There is no reason why they should be loosing $5 million per fiscal quarter. Q4 earnings results will show a bigger loss, I'm expecting.
You do not want to go to bankruptcy court with a company who is loosing that amount of money/per quarter against $1B in revenues. THINK.
12-10-2011 | 07:31 AM
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What about the sh!t ton of money they earned on our crap wages for years to buy Colgan and Q's? I made my life work on less money and less time home. Their turn. How bout I spend all your money. Then Ill go broke. Then you help me out of my financial situation. No concessions.
12-10-2011 | 07:33 AM
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No. Vote no.
Concessions? Sure, they can have my pinnacle points!
Concessions? Sure, they can have my pinnacle points!
Your carrier wasn't on the brink of Bankruptcy as PNCL seems to be.
The pilot group and the PNCL MEC has 2 choices. And 2 HARD CHOICES.
1. Take small concessions in work-rules, pay or contract sections in an effort to help the company reach their desired financial results.
OR
2. Take their chance in bankruptcy court and have a judge throw out your contract, your 401k match, unilaterally cut pay and most likely cut flying which would lead to MASS job losses.
I don't know if any of you guys look at your companies balance sheets, but it is CLEAR by indications of cashflow and expected costs that the company is in trouble. There is something deeper in the company that is not making money. There is no reason why they should be loosing $5 million per fiscal quarter. Q4 earnings results will show a bigger loss, I'm expecting.
You do not want to go to bankruptcy court with a company who is loosing that amount of money/per quarter against $1B in revenues. THINK.
The pilot group and the PNCL MEC has 2 choices. And 2 HARD CHOICES.
1. Take small concessions in work-rules, pay or contract sections in an effort to help the company reach their desired financial results.
OR
2. Take their chance in bankruptcy court and have a judge throw out your contract, your 401k match, unilaterally cut pay and most likely cut flying which would lead to MASS job losses.
I don't know if any of you guys look at your companies balance sheets, but it is CLEAR by indications of cashflow and expected costs that the company is in trouble. There is something deeper in the company that is not making money. There is no reason why they should be loosing $5 million per fiscal quarter. Q4 earnings results will show a bigger loss, I'm expecting.
You do not want to go to bankruptcy court with a company who is loosing that amount of money/per quarter against $1B in revenues. THINK.
12-10-2011 | 07:35 AM
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Your carrier wasn't on the brink of Bankruptcy as PNCL seems to be.
The pilot group and the PNCL MEC has 2 choices. And 2 HARD CHOICES.
1. Take small concessions in work-rules, pay or contract sections in an effort to help the company reach their desired financial results.
OR
2. Take their chance in bankruptcy court and have a judge throw out your contract, your 401k match, unilaterally cut pay and most likely cut flying which would lead to MASS job losses.
I don't know if any of you guys look at your companies balance sheets, but it is CLEAR by indications of cashflow and expected costs that the company is in trouble. There is something deeper in the company that is not making money. There is no reason why they should be loosing $5 million per fiscal quarter. Q4 earnings results will show a bigger loss, I'm expecting.
You do not want to go to bankruptcy court with a company who is loosing that amount of money/per quarter against $1B in revenues. THINK.
The pilot group and the PNCL MEC has 2 choices. And 2 HARD CHOICES.
1. Take small concessions in work-rules, pay or contract sections in an effort to help the company reach their desired financial results.
OR
2. Take their chance in bankruptcy court and have a judge throw out your contract, your 401k match, unilaterally cut pay and most likely cut flying which would lead to MASS job losses.
I don't know if any of you guys look at your companies balance sheets, but it is CLEAR by indications of cashflow and expected costs that the company is in trouble. There is something deeper in the company that is not making money. There is no reason why they should be loosing $5 million per fiscal quarter. Q4 earnings results will show a bigger loss, I'm expecting.
You do not want to go to bankruptcy court with a company who is loosing that amount of money/per quarter against $1B in revenues. THINK.
Do you want a 25% paycut from what you have now or a 25% paycut from a 25% paycut? That's a tough one.
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