If they are not furloughing out of seniority order why have the bottom 119 on the master seniority list not received the WARN letters? I remember someone saying that the WARN letter does not apply if you have been with the company less than 6 months. Since MIA and SJU aren't being affected I have to assume they want to get rid of the alphas here at DFW.

 

You do realize we're all on one seniority list don't you? Eagle and executive.

 

Being that i have now been through bk already ill explain. For the company to furlough out of order they would have to go to the judge in the 1113 process and ask for that change. This does not happen overnight, they have to negotiate with union, etc. Only people that have said this are rumor makers on these boards. First thing eagle pilots need to do is realize those blue books we have are contracts, because so far I've been unimpressed how little people at eagle know about their contract.

The company will do things to get rumors going. First junior capts will be scared into a yes vote by the company saying we need to make these changes and if we do then u may hold onto your capt slot. Next they will lthreaten the senior guys by saying u have been here to long and you're the reason. And there they just got the yes votes they need. If not then they will impose a contract that is far worse if the judge allows them. they will but no company has done it to a pilot group yet.

The biggest thing eagle pilot need to do is learn they have a contract. Then realize that half the rumors they repeat don't make sense.

Did this on my phone, so all you spelling b hopefuls, F Off

 

"How shall we F... off, oh Lord?"

Anyone, anyone?

 

All true...EXCEPT: AMR will have to do some fancy footwork justifying the increased training costs of ATR pilots transitioning to thet jets. Remember that the judge doesn't care about things like seniority which we live and die by.

The only thing the judge sees is the bottom line and $$$$. Furloughing current, qualified pilots on the jets only to be replaced by ATR pilots who will require long term training will be a tough sell. I'm not saying it isn't possible, just pointing out the unfair reality.

 

While that seems logical, the judge has to have a VERY VERY good reason to go outside the scope of the contract. Remember AMR has $4Bil in cash, so absorbing the training costs of a few hundred people is not really a legitimate reason to throw out the contract.... But then again, nothing in this whole situation seems to be logical...

 

Warn letter is because they will close ATR DFW base. There will be displacement, the same letter says it.

Is not a furlough notice, is a warning telling the pilots beware DFW ATR base will not be here.

At the moment they get rid of the ATRs, those pilots will keep their pay until the whole displacement thing is done. Pilots that don't hold anything in their seniority (last 119 pilots) will get furlough and proper notice.

 

If the most junior 119 get furloughed, what DOH does that go to?

 

October 10, 2011. It would go through about 1/2 of that class.

 

I agree they woudn't do it. I was just trying to explain to the rumor makers what it would take to happen, with the hope they would get, why it won't