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JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 03:40 PM

No furloughs at ASA!
 
XJT MEC jumped the gun on the furlough misinformation....I have it on good authority that there will be no furloughs on the ASA side...

Luv2Rotate 12-28-2011 03:45 PM

So this is on the XJT side?

JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 03:50 PM


Originally Posted by Luv2Rotate (Post 1108758)
So this is on the XJT side?

No, the XJT MEC put out a message to it's pilots saying that ASA furloughs would be coming over to XJT. The ASA MEC didn't put anything out because it wasn't a fact. Turns out the ASA MEC was right.

HVAA 12-28-2011 04:01 PM

great news!
xjt ca

Elusive Napkin 12-28-2011 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1108760)
No, the XJT MEC put out a message to it's pilots saying that ASA furloughs would be coming over to XJT. The ASA MEC didn't put anything out because it wasn't a fact. Turns out the ASA MEC was right.

Actually, our MEC said that the furloughed XJT pilots that accepted ASA positions last year would be returning to the ERJ side. In addition, an agreement was reached to provide for further CRJ pilots to move to the ERJ should the need arise. I wouldn't characterize our MEC's foresight as "jumping the gun". I think it is only smart to make provisions, should an unfortunate furlough from the CRJ take place. Hopefully you are correct and no furloughs will be needed! :)

JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin (Post 1108765)
Actually, our MEC said that the furloughed XJT pilots that accepted ASA positions last year would be returning to the ERJ side. In addition, an agreement was reached to provide for further CRJ pilots to move to the ERJ should the need arise. I wouldn't characterize our MEC's foresight as "jumping the gun". :)

Actually, here is exactly what your MEC put out:


On the ERJ side of the house, we are seeing block hours increase again and more pilots being hired and upgraded. In addition, we are bringing back 18 of the 26 furloughed XJT pilots who went to ASA over a year ago. They will be arriving in the training center soon after the New Year. Added to that will be furloughed ASA pilots who wish to be hired on the ERJ side and placed into training as new hires with us. MOU 25 outlines a process similar to the one in MOU 18 when our furloughs went over to the CRJ side. While these furloughed CRJ pilots will be new hires on the ERJ, they will retain their furloughed status on the CRJ. Once the seniority list is integrated, they will retain their CRJ seniority spot on the pilot seniority list.

Our MEC took heat for not putting anything out while your MEC put this message out before anything was known for sure...Caused a lot of problems on this side of the company...

Elusive Napkin 12-28-2011 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1108772)
Actually, here is exactly what your MEC put out:


On the ERJ side of the house, we are seeing block hours increase again and more pilots being hired and upgraded. In addition, we are bringing back 18 of the 26 furloughed XJT pilots who went to ASA over a year ago. They will be arriving in the training center soon after the New Year. Added to that will be furloughed ASA pilots who wish to be hired on the ERJ side and placed into training as new hires with us. MOU 25 outlines a process similar to the one in MOU 18 when our furloughs went over to the CRJ side. While these furloughed CRJ pilots will be new hires on the ERJ, they will retain their furloughed status on the CRJ. Once the seniority list is integrated, they will retain their CRJ seniority spot on the pilot seniority list.

Our MEC took heat for not putting anything out while your MEC put this message out before anything was known for sure...Caused a lot of problems on this side of the company...

I'll agree that the message was poorly worded. However, only 18 of the 26 were coming back. I think the intention of the letter was to convey that provisions were in place to accommodate any additional furloughs.

JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by Elusive Napkin (Post 1108791)
I'll agree that the message was poorly worded. However, only 18 of the 26 were coming back. I think the intention of the letter was to convey that provisions were in place to accommodate any additional furloughs.

The message caused quite the #h!tstorm over on this side of the fence and caused our MEC to take a lot of undeserved heat...It sure didn't help the already strained relationship between our two MECs...

Jetlinker 12-28-2011 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1108793)
The message caused quite the #h!tstorm over on this side of the fence and caused our MEC to take a lot of undeserved heat...It sure didn't help the already strained relationship between our two MECs...

Get over it dude. The letter was poorly worded. The provisions were made for a worst case scenario...and thankfully they won't be needed. The only one I see causing a sh!tstorm over this is you.

JoeMerchant 12-28-2011 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jetlinker (Post 1108826)
Get over it dude. The letter was poorly worded. The provisions were made for a worst case scenario...and thankfully they won't be needed. The only one I see causing a sh!tstorm over this is you.

Do you have access to our ALPA message boards? Were you in the ASA crew lounges when our MEC was attacked by our pilots because they heard from your MEC that there would be furloughs? I'm not about to get over it..."DUDE"...


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