I'm sorry you had a deal with such a tool. It seems we have more and more douches everyday at XJT.

Back in the day, I made a few girls sing when I roasted their marshmallows.

Remember, if you are going to play with fire, protect yourself with the OveGlove.

Wha?! The gall! And I mean that. What the heck are some people thinking? I've been doing this for twenty years, have ridden hundreds of jumpseats - from E-120's to 747's - and I would never in a million years pull a dumb ass move like that. Jeez. :eek::(

After several hours of delay at IAD, finally departed for DTW in the middle of the night (my home). Beat into stiff headwinds with IMC at DTW. I was in the cockpit jumpseat as it was a full flight. Watched a fairly inexperienced crew get all balled up in decision making, hold over Lake Erie, run into a questionable fuel state, and turn tails all the way back to Dulles with Cleveland as a suitable MVFR alternate.

Sweated bullets all the way back over the Blue Ridge (hint) and we landed at 4am on fumes.. I never even offered "Heys guys, what about Cleveland..." And it never came up. Never again. I would never question a crew about an abort but I now will offer (inquiry, advocacy, assertion) if the safety of the flight is in question. Too many near misses out there that have avoided accidents because somebody said something.

sorry about the experience, I hope most of us on the cargo side would be the best jump seaters ever as we offer so little of them in return. I hope when you ride on mine you walk away happy and more then willing to help out my fellow commuting pilots.

As a side note he was trying to brag, his base pay 7 years ago at top scale was $190 a hour. 975 hours a year =185,250. He would have needed a 22% pay raise.

Hard to believe a UAL pilot doesnt know who Air Wisconsin is. UAL used to own Air Wisconsin.

You'd be surprised. I have had jumpseater's (FO's as well as CA's) that didn't even know what aircraft they allow to be outsourced at the regional level. Some people just show up and don't really put much thought into their job.

Don't be so sure. It depends who he works for.

I had a tooth abscess on an overnight in Binghamton, NY, when I was with CommutAir a few years ago. The side of my jaw swelled up to the size of a tennis ball, and I obviously couldn't fly that next day. They just left me there. No positive space, no night in the hotel if I needed it, no nothing. Just, "OK, you're off the rest of the trip."

I had to jumpseat home, a 3-leg trip through PHL and BOS, in severe pain, looking like my face got pounded by a hockey stick. It wasn't a pretty sight. :mad:

I don't see so much of an issue with age. I've had younger guys who are just ****ed off about something and really friendly ones. The worst one I had was a Delta 737 CA asked me what I fly, after I asked him for a ride. I told him, the CRJ 200. His response was, "The one that we all hope will be gone soon?" I almost walked off the plane. I'm not saying DAL guys are bad. It was just a bad experience.