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johnso29 01-17-2012 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by subrat (Post 1118437)
EMB creates bad habbits....especially when it comes to landing the aircraft...the trailing link landing gear makes horrible pilots look good.... Whenever I have a new capt upgrading from the emb to the crj I know I am going to see some interesting landings... Unless they had turboprop experience in the past and didnt gain all their experience on embryo.


Wow. You do realize both the ERJ and CRJ have trailing link landing gears, right? Plus, that trailing link landing gear doesn't always make you look good. I had my fair share of carrier landings in the E145. :D

subrat 01-17-2012 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1118619)
Wow. You do realize both the ERJ and CRJ have trailing link landing gears, right? Plus, that trailing link landing gear doesn't always make you look good. I had my fair share of carrier landings in the E145. :D

The company I work for doesn't have any 200's. A running joke around with the fo's is that whenever we have a x embreyo pilot on the crj they end up having a really hard time with the crj. If we have an x turbo prop from our company they seem to have no problems with it. It's the 250 hour pilots that have only flown the emb, hired 5 years ago and just made capt. Being thrown in a jet with training that focuses on using the auto pilot with that low of hours creates bad habbits....aka happy hands...idol at 50 feet...not using the rudder....having the experience with a big turbo prop with no auto pilot helps create a better base for a pilot. It's just a observation not a fact. :eek: and yes there are exemptions to that rule.
I typed this on my iPhone and I yes i need to back to English 101.

blakman7 01-17-2012 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 1118284)
At ASA when the ATRs when away several pilots struggled mightily with the transition to the jet. One was fired. Flying the jet takes a very different skillet that some dont have. One of them being energy management. The TP will do anything you want it to at anytime. In the Jet you have to be ahead of the plane and configured before it will do what you want it to. For example, in the B1900 almost any pilot can comfortably do 250 to the marker. In the CRJ900, you need a seasoned pilot or it'll most likely end up in a go around

As far as hand flying, the king air series including the 1900 is one of the easiest hand flying airplanes in the world. A VERY stable aircraft. I'd have no problem hand flying it 6 legs a day. Now I can only speak for the crj, but flying it six legs a day would be a pain in the butt with all the artificial "pitch feel" feedback you get in the controls. To make a long story short, it's way more sensitive than your average TP, especially at higher altitudes with the higher speeds. The plane feels as if it was built to be flown with the AP on 90% of the time

I'll respect that. What's up Trip7? I haven't heard from you since I saw you at Flight Safety that one day while you were in training on the ATR.

OCCP 01-18-2012 08:28 AM

I don't believe the EMB 145 creates bad habits. I guess its all about your particular viewpoint on how YOU choose to learn......if that makes any sense. When I was new at XJT, I tried to hand fly as much as I could to really get a feel for the airplane and to get to know its quirks. It has a lot of quirks! I felt it was a great way to know how the plane was going to respond in certain situations. I'm a new capt and I'm flying with a bunch of new 500hr wonder pilots. A lot of them seem afraid of the aircraft, meaning they turn the autopilot on as soon as they can and just sit and watch it do its thing. In my opinion that will create bad habits when you're new and really low time.

As far as landing this thing smoothly and consistantly......I have close to 5,000 hours in it and I still can't figure out why every third landing feels like it fell out of the sky! Its just the way it is.

Trip7 01-18-2012 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by blakman7 (Post 1118755)
I'll respect that. What's up Trip7? I haven't heard from you since I saw you at Flight Safety that one day while you were in training on the ATR.

Oh yea that was a while back! I've been around

RAH RAH REE 01-18-2012 12:04 PM

Imma let you finish, but the Dash 8-100 was the worst landing airplane OF ALL TIME!

2StgTurbine 01-18-2012 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by RAH RAH REE (Post 1119045)
Imma let you finish, but the Dash 8-100 was the worst landing airplane OF ALL TIME!

Until they came out with the Q400.

Jetlinker 01-18-2012 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by subrat (Post 1118715)
The company I work for doesn't have any 200's. A running joke around with the fo's is that whenever we have a x embreyo pilot on the crj they end up having a really hard time with the crj. If we have an x turbo prop from our company they seem to have no problems with it. It's the 250 hour pilots that have only flown the emb, hired 5 years ago and just made capt. Being thrown in a jet with training that focuses on using the auto pilot with that low of hours creates bad habbits....aka happy hands...idol at 50 feet...not using the rudder....having the experience with a big turbo prop with no auto pilot helps create a better base for a pilot. It's just a observation not a fact. :eek: and yes there are exemptions to that rule.
I typed this on my iPhone and I yes i need to back to English 101.

I don't know of any ERJ pilot that chops the power to idle at 50 ft unless he/she has a death wish. It doesn't sound like the airplane is the problem, it sounds like the training dept. at whatever company you work for.

GlobeTreker 01-18-2012 03:28 PM

Did you guys hear about Expressjet getting the 135's back?

AZ wildcat 01-18-2012 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1119066)
Until they came out with the Q400.

I deadheaded on a Q a month ago and I didn't even know we touched down until I felt the braking. Though I guess, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then


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