I wouldn't count on them getting a good deal with United. The more likely scenerio: they pay us in peanuts and Biscof cookies, then the Q's become profitable. Hey, that still puts food on the table for your family though right?

The scope sell out is far from being a done deal. Pray to whatever God you believe that UniCal and Delta fight the good fight and that American only takes a minimal scope hit (a small number of 76 seaters allowed). All of our careers are counting on it.

 

wow man you are a superhero. How do you do it?

All we are is cheerleaders. you are one too. We dont touch the football. You care way too much.

 

Then do something about it vs ***** about it on here.

 

Why do you have to add your bs to evvvvvveeerrryyyy single thread. Youre complaining about upgrades in one thread yet youre against something like this. Pick a side. Scope is something that was lost when years ago. You realize youre at a company that added over 100 rjs in a matter of years? This is the new age for the industry and there is absolutely nothing we as pilots can do about beyond quitting and that aint happening. All we can do as regional pilots at this point is have our unions fight for compensation. If majors want bigger regionals they will get them. Offer a bigger carrot to mainline pilots and youll get your scope. If you could make 20 bucks more an hour on a 73 or 77 wouldnt you take it after everything you lost after 9/11? Someone will start flying 900's for AA. Its inevitable. I dont want my company to not go after it. If its out there and someone is going to fly it I want it to be us.

 

 

While you are correct that scope is pretty much out of your control, you are incorrect in your assumption that waving 20 bucks more an hour at mainline pilots will have them give up scope. UAL/CAL pilots are fighting hard to hold the line and hopefully take back scope, and DAL has given up it's last (hopefully will go for recapture).

What happens at AMR when they get bent over the 1113c table remains to be seen- hopefully the scope line is able to be held.

 

Unfortunately, I think that we have seen the last of any substantial growth in the mainline domestic market. There will be new aircraft purchased, but purchased as replacement aircraft only. I have spoken to a few of my fathers college buddies - whom are all at Delta, American, USAirways, etc and they agree. There is going to be a huge amount of retirements in the coming years, but minimal hiring. They all agree, that with the huge pay and seniority increase they will get from 65 y/o captains retiring, plus pre 9/11 contracts and pay rates, the domestic market will be given away almost completely. I often hear mainline pilot saying that they will reclaim scope on the next contract, but pilots, like the rest of us, vote with their pocketbooks, and will not vote down down double digit percent hourly increases on top of almost immediate type and seat upgrades.

As much as I hate to say it, even mainline's new 787/A350 type aircraft are 'international rj's.' These aircraft are designed for long, thin, point to point flights, (much like the 170's and CRJ-7/900's). The 747's flying from their US hub to their Asian / European Hub's are a thing of the past.

I hope you like chinese food, or sand, because that is where you will have to move to get to fly big shiny jets, and get paid big bucks!

Cheers!

 

Absolutely not! This post REEKS of SJS. You must be a young punk pilot in his 20s who upgraded on the Q in 1 year, and now disappointed that a mainline carrier hasn't hired you. You CAN do something. Go picket when mainline pilots have events. Support their cause! I really think mainline guys are done giving up scope, and should not fall for those stupid carrots anymore. Those 900s should be flown at the legacy airline level. For Pete's sake, Air Canada has got it right! They gave out the 700s/900s to Air Canada Jazz but every single EMB-170/175/190 is at mainline Air Canada. In fact, the entry-level position at Air Canada is on the Embraer 170/175. That's how it should have been here. Instead, we have Republic the world's largest operator of "E-Jets"


You know what? I actually hope we at 9E lose all the Qs and the CRJ-900s. I hope mainline takes that flying back! Do you realize that Delta pilots have a published payrate for the bigger RJs? Regionals should never have expanded beyond the 50 seat market, but now that it has, I look forward to it getting cut back. Take the greater than 70 seaters back to mainline, and let the regionals operate the 50 seaters or less. Then as time continues and the 50 seaters become less efficient, right-size the regionals by having them park a portion of the 50-seater fleet. After 9/11 we had a huge disproportionate amount of growth in 50 seater RJs. It's time to take that back. Regionals should shrink, some should disappear altogether, and the bigger RJs should be operated by mainline. Sure AA will have to operate the 900, but it should be AA pilots that do it! Only those pilots willing to whhore themselves out (like you) say something stupid like you would be ticked off if your regional didn't bid for that flying. If that's how you truly feel, then you don't get it!

 

Agree 500%! UAL/CAL should hold the line and not allow any new Qs to go to regional airlines. Continental had it right to limit the flying to 50 seaters at RJs, but still made the exception of the Qs at 70+ seats. They need to hold the line and Delta too! What some of these 2 year total seniority Colgan Captains don't realize is that the more flying comes to the regional level, the less flying and jobs are available at the major level. Right now, 50% of domestic lift is already all regional. That trend will continue if idiots still are willing to whhore themselves out.

 

Really? People at Colgan upgraded onto the q in one year?

Dude ur a moron