Originally Posted by Fly Boy Knight (Post 1130837)

So... What I get out of these new requirements is that.... the FAA may now determine WHETHER OR NOT they think you should have an ATP... as opposed to when someone earns the license by meeting a set of predetermined OBJECTIVE standards and minimum requirements??? Sounds like the ATP license is about to go down the same road that the second amendment has. Fantastic! I hope no new prospective ATPs are outspoken about their government and its policies otherwise, they might not be "allowed" to have one.

Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1130684)

In theory but lord only knows. I think if the supply goes down enough you'll see some airlines offer a bonus to new hires. It'd be a lot cheaper than increasing pay but enough to attract applicants.

Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1130860)

That will work for non-union shops. But it has been tried at a union airline as was shot down... to paraphrase the argument, "sure management, you can give a hiring bonus, as long as you give it to all of us as well."

Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1130725)

Theyre going for it in Canada.

Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1130901)

Originally Posted by l1011 (Post 1130834)

FAR 61.159 was revised in Aug 2009 and no longer includes this provision. It used to read:

(d) An applicant may be issued an airline transport pilot certificate with the endorsement, “Holder does not meet the pilot in command aeronautical experience requirements of ICAO,” as prescribed by Article 39 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation, if the applicant:
(1) Credits second-in-command or flight-engineer time under paragraph (c) of this section toward the 1,500 hours total flight time requirement of paragraph (a) of this section;
(2) Does not have at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command time and none of his or her flight-engineer time; and
(3) Otherwise meets the requirements of paragraph (a) of this section.
(e) When the applicant specified in paragraph (d) of this section presents satisfactory evidence of the accumulation of 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot including no more than 50 percent of his or her second-in-command flight time and none of his or her flight-engineer time, the applicant is entitled to an airline transport pilot certificate without the endorsement prescribed in that paragraph.

Oh Well

Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1130884)

Sorry, but in 2007 Piedmont was in fact giving new hires 5k signing bonus while current pilots got nothing. The union certainly didnt get bonuses for anyone else. And yes, PDT is alpa.