1500 hr rule & decreased mins
 

I tried a search and couldn't really find anything, so I figured I'd throw the question out there. If someone graduates from a University with an accredited part 141 flight training program they could potentially be allowed to earn an ATP with less than 1500 hours. We all know this. But what I'm confused about is, does the individual need to a graduate of the degree program (AeroSci, etc) or just have completed the part 141 training within the degree program?

I got out of the Navy a year ago and used the post 9/11 GI Bill to finish my ratings after Private-SEL at Embry-Riddle. I left once I finished my Comm-Multi and moved back home to work and I'm finishing my last 10 classes online. (they made changes anyway that wouldn't have allowed me to do CFI).

Any insight would be great! Thanks! :D

The way I understand the new rule is that someone in your situation may be eligible for hire with less than 1500 hrs. But there won't be any way to get your ATP shy of 1500.

If I'm not mistaken, you are heading to Silver Airways? I talked to the Chief Pilot over here about this issue. According to their policy, anyone hired before the date this rule becomes affective is grandfather-claused. Regardless, you'll do enough flying where the 1500 hours wont be a problem by that date. But actual reduced ATP minimums are highly doubtful but anything's possible.

I could be wrong but I believe that is a negetory. Why else have all the other half way decent and smart airlines stated that as they get closer to Aug 2013 their mins will go up accordingly. Whiskey is already raising theirs back up as well as Surejet. Again I could be wrong...but if it were me I wouldnt take his word for it.

From what I've heard there is no grandfathering of this rule. I would expect one of two things to happen. One the implantation date gets pushed back or two they release some kind of partial credit for working at a 121 carrier or graduating from certain schools.

Darn it all. I was planning on having a job by default ;-)

Your chief pilot has no clue what he is talking about. Straight from the bill:

SEC. 216. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.

(a) REQUIREMENTS.—

(1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING.—The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crew-members have proper qualifications and experience.

(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.—

(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS.—Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flightcrewmembers undergo comprehensive preemploymentscreening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes,airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier's operational environment.

(B)ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS.—Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flightcrewmembers—

(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and

(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

(b) DEADLINES.—The Administrator shall issue—

(1) not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, a notice of proposed rulemaking under subsection(a); and

(2) not later than 24 months after such date of enactment, a final rule under subsection (a).

(c) DEFAULT.—The requirement that each flight crewmember for a part 121 air carrier hold an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall begin to apply on the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act even if the Administrator fails to meet a deadline established under this section.

SEC. 217. AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT CERTIFICATION.

(a) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING.—The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to amend part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, to modify requirements for the issuance of an airline transport pilot certificate.

(b) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.—To be qualified to receive an airline transport pilot certificate pursuant to subsection (a), an individual shall—

(1) have sufficient flight hours, as determined by the Administrator, to enable a pilot to function effectively in an air carrier operational environment; and

(2) have received flight training, academic training, or operational experience that will prepare a pilot, at a minimum, to—

(A) function effectively in a multipilot environment;

(B) function effectively in adverse weather conditions,including icing conditions;

(C) function effectively during high altitude operations;

(D) adhere to the highest professional standards; and

(E) function effectively in an air carrier operational environment.

(c) FLIGHT HOURS.—

(1) NUMBERS OF FLIGHT HOURS.—The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall be at least 1,500 flight hours.

(2) FLIGHT HOURS IN DIFFICULT OPERATIONAL CONDITIONS.—The total flight hours required by the Administrator under subsection (b)(1) shall include sufficient flight hours, as deter-mined by the Administrator, in difficult operational conditions that may be encountered by an air carrier to enable a pilot to operate safely in such conditions.

(d) CREDIT TOWARD FLIGHT HOURS.—The Administrator may allow specific academic training courses, beyond those required under subsection (b)(2), to be credited toward the total flight hours required under subsection (c). The Administrator may allow such credit based on a determination by the Administrator that allowing a pilot to take specific academic training courses will enhance safety more than requiring the pilot to fully comply with the flight hours requirement.

(e) RECOMMENDATIONS OF EXPERT PANEL.—In conducting the rulemaking proceeding under this section, the Administrator shall review and consider the assessment and recommendations of the expert panel to review part 121 and part 135 training hours established by section 209(b) of this Act.

(f) DEADLINE.—Not later than 36 months after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall issue a final rule under subsection (a).

No where in the text of the bill is there a reference to a grandfather-clause.

Date of Enactment?
 

When was the "date of enactment?"

Of what significance is the Aug 2013 date?

Signed into law August 1, 2010.

Sounds about right at GIA