I believe that has to do with the overall charlie foxtrotness of ATL in general, and not the fault of a PBS system itself.

If they wanted to, they could have an early closing date, followed by an early award/sort/solution date.

 

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The ASA awards are usually complete by the 18th. Why they wait until 5:00pm on the 20th?? I have no idea. Really frustrating.

 

The schedules getting awarded late in the month is the primary reason I will vote no on a TA with PBS included.

With that being said, we need to educate ourselves. If you are an L-XJT pilot, go to expressjetalpa.org and read the 14 page report from our scheduling committee on all the different types of PBS and the Pro's/Con's of each system. That is a very good starting point and most importantly it is factual information. Please dont resort to name calling on this or any other message board, because we have a nice opportunity here and the last thing we need is to go all Pilot on each other.

GET EDUCATED!!!

 

never mind......

 

...And Joe Merchant (doucebag) wins. His whole agenda is to place a wedge between us so that we will never achieve a JCBA - that way his rules remain unchanged.

Here's the bottome line. XJT guys need to abandon this whole idea of "I'll vote no for any TA that has PBS" and be open minded. ASA guys need to abandon the idea of "I'll vote no on any TA that gets rid of our PBS" and be open minded.

I think that we can all agree that line bidding has it's plusses and it's minuses. I think we all can agree that PBS (whether ASA or anyone elses) has it's plusses and it's minuses. We need to find a system that brings together the best of both worlds.

I am hopeful that this is what the XJT MEC is exploring.

One thing is certain. XJT guys WILL NOT accept anything that is a concession. I believe that many believe that PBS alone is a concession. Personally, I think that PBS with the right rules could be a huge benefit to us all, but I will be skeptical of anything that is unknown or unproven.

Bottom line - stop letting one or two trolls try to divide and conquer with flame bait.

 

I think we can all agree to this. The awards coming out this late needs to change. Other than that, I personally don't have a big problem with our current PBS. I get what I want sometimes, and I probably wouldn't get anything better with line bidding. I bid pretty junior. I think that SOME of the people complaining about PBS at ASA, don't bid properly. Anytime I was awarded something weird, it was because of the way I bid 9 our of 10 times. Any other problems I've had with my schedule have been from the company. Mostly getting screwed because of staffing issues. Separate from the PBS system itself. They make excuses like they got some last minute changes or something like that. Also, the union says that some months they have to fight the company to keep them from screwing us. The company refuses to make reasonable pairings. I think these things would still be happening, regardless of what system we use to bid. And yes, our PBS has its draw backs. I'm not saying ours is the best or its the one we should choose. We all should keep an open mind to all possibilities and educate ourselves. Can ASA guys read this 14 page report? I would like to read that myself.

So my point is, no matter what system we choose, we need to have strong language. That's our current drawback and why we have problems now. I know that this company exploits and rapes every loophole and gray area in our current contract. From what I've been hearing from some xjt guys, they are starting to do that to you guys as well. It will continue until we get a new contract with stronger language to protect us from the abuses of management and scheduling. I assure you they will keep doing it as long as they can. I'm sure they will find ways to exploit the new contract as well. I am more concerned over the strength of our contract and the protections and benefits it offers.

 

That document, while it can be quite informative - is extremely biased.

 

How so? I didn't see any bias.

 

You mean in the FACT that when all was said it done, the current ASA system DOESN'T conform/work with XJT's CBA?

If the current ASA system worked well the XJT CBA, I'm sure the MEC would have been more than happy to accept it. As opposed to spending time/energy/effort and resources into looking at all the other systems out there.