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Lifeisgood 02-14-2012 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by Dieseldog (Post 1134510)
1: Do the legacies care weather you were a CA on a CRJ700, E170, or a SAAB?


No, they don't care. They look for good experience that made you grow up and take responsibility seriously. However if they don't like you and don't want to hire you (for million of other reasons) they make you believe that "if only I had real jet PIC I would have been hired". You can find plenty of peolple who believe that.

2: If one has jet SIC time and gets a DEC Turboprop job, is that person going to be less marketable than the all Jet time with PIC applicant?

My public English education fails me again and this doen't make much sence to me. SIC time is worthless. Get PIC in anything you can. If you hear about SIC's getting picked up by majors - that is because they are connected or airline is increadably hurting for apps.


All the best to you!

Avroman 02-14-2012 01:04 PM

Or they WANT SIC only guys because they figure nobody else will when they start hiring, meaning they have a stable FO base that won't be jumping ship a year after arriving, costing them big training $$$s. (see Jetblue/Spirit.)

usmc-sgt 02-14-2012 03:50 PM

CAL did a lot of this in the mid 2000s. They were typing new hires in the 737 and they would bail to SWA. One of the solutions was zero pic folks because type or not they were not qualified for SWA.

xjtguy 02-14-2012 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 1135113)
CAL did a lot of this in the mid 2000s. They were typing new hires in the 737 and they would bail to SWA. One of the solutions was zero pic folks because type or not they were not qualified for SWA.

Didn't have to be zero, ANYTHING less than 1000 will do.

usmc-sgt 02-15-2012 03:59 AM


Originally Posted by xjtguy (Post 1135243)
Didn't have to be zero, ANYTHING less than 1000 will do.

True..I believe 1000 is a requirement there so you are right.

crewdawg52 02-15-2012 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by HalinTexas (Post 1134859)
I don't think it matters as long as it meet their mins.

Airlines are hiring people, not pilots. They could care less whether you can fly or not anymore.

Beg to differ. While in training last year, DAL released 6 new hires last summer because they could not fly the DC-9 (as told by a very good friend of mine who happened to be a DC-9 instructor). All six had zero "steam gauge" time, just glass. They had no crosscheck and were let go.

CloudPilot57 02-15-2012 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg52 (Post 1135279)
Beg to differ. While in training last year, DAL released 6 new hires last summer because they could not fly the DC-9 (as told by a very good friend of mine who happened to be a DC-9 instructor). All six had zero "steam gauge" time, just glass. They had no crosscheck and were let go.

Isn't that the norm these days? If one goes the regional route 99% of the people will be flying an all glass aircraft, except those that fly a Saab or Brasilia which still have ehsi and eadi. Be hard pressed to find a steam gauge regional at the majority of places. I can foresee a lot more troubles for people going to the 9.

mooney 02-15-2012 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by CloudPilot57 (Post 1135399)
Isn't that the norm these days? If one goes the regional route 99% of the people will be flying an all glass aircraft, except those that fly a Saab or Brasilia which still have ehsi and eadi. Be hard pressed to find a steam gauge regional at the majority of places. I can foresee a lot more troubles for people going to the 9.

there are thousands of us regional guys that got our IFR ratings in pre-1995 steam gauge mooneys, beeches, pipers etc then went on to fly 135 on steam gauges in turbines and twins. Not everyone here learned in a glass Diamond or Cirrus and went straight to an RJ....those scan skills will come back to this with experience.

CloudPilot57 02-15-2012 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1135527)
there are thousands of us regional guys that got our IFR ratings in pre-1995 steam gauge mooneys, beeches, pipers etc then went on to fly 135 on steam gauges in turbines and twins. Not everyone here learned in a glass Diamond or Cirrus and went straight to an RJ....those scan skills will come back to this with experience.

I wasn't talking about the past, I was merely mentioning the new trend. More and more people will be going from G1000's and the like to RJ's with no significant steam time.

I wasn't trying to offend steam guys, I'm one!

crewdawg52 02-15-2012 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by CloudPilot57 (Post 1135573)
I wasn't talking about the past, I was merely mentioning the new trend. More and more people will be going from G1000's and the like to RJ's with no significant steam time.

I wasn't trying to offend steam guys, I'm one!

Neither was I. Just saying, from what I've read and seen (jumpseating)...... the "new guys" have no crosscheck. They are used to looking at one instrument. They will face a very big hurtle if hired by DAL and going to the -9, -88, or 90, with nothing but glass time. The -88 and -90 will be around for along time, which will require a very good scan.

Good luck to those who get the chance. And that is meant in a very good way.


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