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geddeh 03-06-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by belliott (Post 1147014)
Question now being would the employees associated with the Colgan certificate go with the airframes? One day a Pinnacle Holdings employee the next day a Skywest Inc. employee... how would this work with the contract? Is there any language pertaining to this type of hypothetical deal?

Yeah... Not sure. JCBA Section 1 is pretty wordy.

dingo222 03-06-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by geddeh (Post 1147017)
I'll let it slide. Remember that Beer is important and must not be trivialized.

truer words have never been spoken

FlyingKat 03-06-2012 07:30 PM


Question now being would the employees associated with the Colgan certificate go with the airframes? One day a Pinnacle Holdings employee the next day a Skywest Inc. employee... how would this work with the contract? Is there any language pertaining to this type of hypothetical deal?

Originally Posted by geddeh (Post 1147022)
Yeah... Not sure. JCBA Section 1 is pretty wordy.

From the Pinnacle Corp JCBA:

Partial Asset Transfer
If the Company or any Airline transfers, by sale, lease or other
transaction, four percent (4%) of the aircraft in an Airline’s fleet
in any twelve (12) consecutive month period to any other air
carrier (excluding another Airline) or entity that controls another
air carrier, then, once the Company or applicable Airline and the
other air carrier reach agreement for transfer of the aircraft that
constitutes the 4% threshold, the Company or applicable Airline
will endeavor to secure the agreement of the transferee(s) to offer
pilot employment to a number of Pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority
List based upon the total number of aircraft transferred or
to be transferred, provided the transfer of aircraft did or will result
in a reduction in force. If an agreement is secured, the Company
will consult with the Association concerning the terms upon
which such employment is offered (e.g., Pilots’ qualifications, seniority
and other relevant factors). In any case, no Pilot shall be
required to transfer with the aircraft. Section 24 will apply to any
position changes that occur as a consequence of the partial asset
transfer.


Qs are 11% of the present fleet....

belliott 03-06-2012 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingKat (Post 1147043)
From the Pinnacle Corp JCBA:

Partial Asset Transfer
If the Company or any Airline transfers, by sale, lease or other
transaction, four percent (4%) of the aircraft in an Airline’s fleet
in any twelve (12) consecutive month period to any other air
carrier (excluding another Airline) or entity that controls another
air carrier, then, once the Company or applicable Airline and the
other air carrier reach agreement for transfer of the aircraft that
constitutes the 4% threshold, the Company or applicable Airline
will endeavor to secure the agreement of the transferee(s) to offer
pilot employment to a number of Pilots on the Pilots’ System Seniority
List based upon the total number of aircraft transferred or
to be transferred, provided the transfer of aircraft did or will result
in a reduction in force. If an agreement is secured, the Company
will consult with the Association concerning the terms upon
which such employment is offered (e.g., Pilots’ qualifications, seniority
and other relevant factors). In any case, no Pilot shall be
required to transfer with the aircraft. Section 24 will apply to any
position changes that occur as a consequence of the partial asset
transfer.

So from what I understand here, and correct me if I am wrong, if more than 4% of the aircraft leave the company Skywest would come up with an offer for any pilots thinking of tranfsferring based upon qualifications, seniority, etc and we, the affected pilots, could agree to transfer or opt to stay here at Pinnacle Holdings based upon the offer from Skywest. Did I get even close?

PinnacleFO 03-07-2012 03:35 AM

You guys know if they do actually buy us, we will be merged with asa and express jet while Skywest will take what they want from it but none of their pilots will be affected.

FlyingKat 03-07-2012 05:31 AM

Pinnacle's market Cap is 23.5 million and Skywest has 646 million in the bank, so they could buy us and have plenty left over. The question is whether United/Delta wants Skywest to get bigger and control more lift, and if Skywest wants to take on another challenging merger when they still haven't finished the ASA/Expressjet consolidation yet. On the Pinnacle side, my guess is the investors and executives at Pinnacle would jump at this if the price was right, particularly if we end up in bankruptcy.

FlyingKat 03-07-2012 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by PinnacleFO (Post 1147148)
You guys know if they do actually buy us, we will be merged with asa and express jet while Skywest will take what they want from it but none of their pilots will be affected.

That would be my guess is since all the pilots are represented by ALPA we would be folded in with the ALPA operation on the Expressjet certificate.

Still not sure if I buying this, however.

RgrMurdock 03-07-2012 08:26 AM

They'll "consult" with you and "endeavor" to give you guys year one pay at skywest lol. I love all of these meaningless words in a contract.

lolwut 03-07-2012 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by RgrMurdock (Post 1147280)
They'll "consult" with you and "endeavor" to give you guys year one pay at skywest lol. I love all of these meaningless words in a contract.

Exactly.

endeavour US, endeavor [ɪnˈdɛvə]vb to try (to do something)


Writing in the contract that Pinnacle will "try" to do something. Ha!! What a worthless piece of garbage. Not even worth the paper its printed on. This clause is only going to be beneficial to you guys if its beneficial for the company. And even then, they'll screw you.

Milk Man 03-07-2012 09:50 AM

So whens this report coming out? Ive read some were saying delayed till the 6th, its past now what? Can they keep delaying it?


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