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MunkyButtr 02-24-2012 05:24 PM
Originally Posted by Deice Press (Post 1140727)
Menkles last e-mail is quite shady. I would have to lean towards the were doing better then they want us to think conspiracy.
Are you referring to the letter on the emp site?

The Juice 02-24-2012 05:45 PM
Originally Posted by Deice Press (Post 1140727)
Menkles last e-mail is quite shady. I would have to lean towards the were doing better then they want us to think conspiracy.
Are you referring to the letter on the emp site?
That letter doesn't pass the smell test.

More and more this looks like Airline mgmt 101

tennisguru 02-24-2012 06:06 PM
Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1140774)
That letter doesn't pass the smell test.

More and more this looks like Airline mgmt 101
I like how he only mentioned ALPA when it came to pay cuts. No mention of FA's or mechanics. Unless I missed it they haven't voted on consessions yet either. Looks like they are already pre-blaming us for anything that falls apart.

FlyJSH 02-24-2012 06:17 PM
Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1140774)
That letter doesn't pass the smell test.

More and more this looks like Airline mgmt 101
In fairness, SM did come right out and say a PERMANENT pay cut. No false promises of a snap back. :eek:

It's kinda like a proctologist saying, "You aren't going to like this: I'm out of lube."

At least he's honest. :rolleyes:

The Juice 02-24-2012 06:20 PM
Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1140774)
That letter doesn't pass the smell test.

More and more this looks like Airline mgmt 101
I like how he only mentioned ALPA when it came to pay cuts. No mention of FA's or mechanics. Unless I missed it they haven't voted on consessions yet either. Looks like they are already pre-blaming us for anything that falls apart.
Sounds like it. From the tone of it, I don't blame our negotiators for walking away from talks this week.

Imagine being told that these cuts have to be "permanent," all the while our finance people don't agree and the company won't show us why it needs to be permanent.

I'm going to tell my bank that the mortgage needs to be less and they just have to trust me that I can't afford the current payments.

As I said, doesn't pass the smell test.

The Juice 02-24-2012 06:21 PM
Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1140774)
That letter doesn't pass the smell test.

More and more this looks like Airline mgmt 101
In fairness, SM did come right out and say a PERMANENT pay cut. No false promises of a snap back. :eek:

It's kinda like a proctologist saying, "You aren't going to like this: I'm out of lube."

At least he's honest. :rolleyes:
Just because you BS from day one, and don't budge on your BS, doesn't make it the truth. Airline Mgmt 101

tom14cat14 02-24-2012 06:43 PM
I am glad i am not the only one that is questioning his letter. He seems like he is trying to make sure this stays negative. Employee morale is low and we had some short term good news and yet he wanted to make sure he pointed out that BK may still be the best option.

maple 02-24-2012 07:18 PM
I don't work at PNCL, but I have seen the letter your talking about. I saw it though Yahoo finance page. Do you guys really think they want to keep it negative and show it to investors?

gonyon 02-24-2012 07:45 PM
Originally Posted by maple (Post 1140808)
I don't work at PNCL, but I have seen the letter your talking about. I saw it though Yahoo finance page. Do you guys really think they want to keep it negative and show it to investors?
I do work at pinnacle and I happen to believe Sean is being completely truthful as he sees things. I do believe that he sees a true need for permanent concession to get this company on solid footing.

I just happen to not care. No is my answer to any pay concessions. You can easily save 5% permanently by forcing your SOC to run more efficiently. Until then, you are asking me to subsidize ineptitude.

maple 02-24-2012 07:58 PM
I saw that term SOC in the letter. What does that stand for?


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