G7 union - IBT 618
03-03-2012 | 05:25 AM
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03-03-2012 | 07:38 AM
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OK junior, apparently you were napping during storytime, so I guess we'll spell a couple of things out for you here. Scabbing occurs when a picket line is crossed...so there is a big difference. As I said before, don't use big words you don't understand...and no, just because you think you are someting you clearly are not, you don't get to invent definitions. There are thousands of us who came before you and walked the line...you clearly haven't.
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
ATCsaidDoWhat,
I was trying to add to your post but couldn't figure out what else to say. You pretty much said it all in a short, consise package. You will have more success digging to china with a teaspoon than opening the eyes of these few self-loathers.
They will continue to make up "facts", interperate definitions to their liking and continue to infiltrate every post that has anything to do with G7, to spread their discontent. I figure if they don't have this G7 outlet, they will realize how miserable their own lives are and go mad.
No one cares if you don't like G7. Although your self-tharapy on here does provide cheap entertainment.
03-03-2012 | 07:59 AM
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Wow...your words really sting...I'm crushed...
And for someone who is so new here...or are you???
OK...so you agree that they never crossed a picket line, and therefore "are not scabs by definition." Which means they are not scabs. So quit using words you have admitted are misplaced.
And for someone who is so new here...or are you???OK...so you agree that they never crossed a picket line, and therefore "are not scabs by definition." Which means they are not scabs. So quit using words you have admitted are misplaced.
Yes I agree with you. Is that to much to handle for you? I didn't call them scabs, I said it is a scab-like mentality.. But I guess you have a lecture about how I/we cant have certain opinions about someones mentality.
And lastly, don't tell me what words I can use, or not use. That, old man, is for the moderators to decide.
03-03-2012 | 10:18 AM
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You need to read your history. Hulas made the call without the union. The union was willing to negotiate in good faith, they simply refused the first offer which had them flying 70 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates and worse working conditions. Thus, gojets was created specifically to circumvent TSA's collective bargaining agreement.
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
By the way before we go any further, what is the point of an individual crossing a picket line? And how's that intent any different than working for company that was specifically created to undermine a collective bargaining agreement per management themselves?
The situation with gojets was so disgusting that both ALPA and Teamsters (aviation chapter) passed up on them, they rejected them. The current representation is the taxi cab union, the only ones that would touch them!
Everything I've posted is documented, what do you have to back up your claims besides wishful thinking?
Second...go out to STL and find a Teamster from Local 618 and tell them they are part of a "taxicab union." Go ahead. When they're done with your schooling, you'll find out that GoJets is part of Local 618 AND represented by the Airline Division of the Teamsters. That's the AIRLINE DIVISION...not "chapter"...with over 70,000 members...who of late, have nailed down more contracts with pay increases, solid scope, benefits and other things for pilots and others than I suspect you have.
Everything you have posted is "documented?" Really? I have a dog that just ate a bowl of alphabet soup...I'm betting what comes out will have more validity and make more sense than what you've "documented" so far.
So far, your "right seat" sounds more like a window seat over the right wing...
2. I'm actually probably older than you, and I will venture that I have more time in the industry than you do.
3. You don't have to cross a picket line to act like a scab. Hulas himself admitted this was a maneuver around the collective bargaining of TSA, what does that make the pilots that consciously take a job under such working conditions?
4. gojets still has a subpar contract, particularly when comparing soft money, that's not even including the fact that 50 seat guys are making more money without including said protections.
Left seat for about 6 years now. Nice try again.
03-03-2012 | 10:21 AM
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You are correct---it is all because of me. Now we can end this pointless thread once and for all. "live long commuter airlines".
03-03-2012 | 10:31 AM
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1. Look up the website for the 618, and it's current affiliations and membership. It's not the same chapter that represents ALL the real airlines. Nice try.
2. I'm actually probably older than you, and I will venture that I have more time in the industry than you do.
3. You don't have to cross a picket line to act like a scab. Hulas himself admitted this was a maneuver around the collective bargaining of TSA, what does that make the pilots that consciously take a job under such working conditions?
4. gojets still has a subpar contract, particularly when comparing soft money, that's not even including the fact that 50 seat guys are making more money without including said protections.
Left seat for about 6 years now. Nice try again.
2. I'm actually probably older than you, and I will venture that I have more time in the industry than you do.
3. You don't have to cross a picket line to act like a scab. Hulas himself admitted this was a maneuver around the collective bargaining of TSA, what does that make the pilots that consciously take a job under such working conditions?
4. gojets still has a subpar contract, particularly when comparing soft money, that's not even including the fact that 50 seat guys are making more money without including said protections.
Left seat for about 6 years now. Nice try again.
I looked up the Teamsters Local 618 website....the only things I can find airline wise are Go Jets pilots, Trans States FAs, Cal fleet (?) service workers, and 100 aviation fuelers. So I don't understand what you GoJets guys are talking about.
Oh, and I agree with and would like an answer to the question "are you ok flying 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay?" when a GJ person posted something snarky about Trans States' fight.
EDIT: yeah it was fly4michelle saying he hoped that TSA was holding out "for life changing money." How rude! You are saying sarcastically TSA should not hold out for *fair* 70 seat pay. I disagree.
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03-03-2012 | 10:35 AM
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03-03-2012 | 11:07 AM
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I looked up the Teamsters Local 618 website....the only things I can find airline wise are Go Jets pilots, Trans States FAs, Cal fleet (?) service workers, and 100 aviation fuelers. So I don't understand what you GoJets guys are talking about.
Oh, and I agree with and would like an answer to the question "are you ok flying 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay?" when a GJ person posted something snarky about Trans States' fight.
Oh, and I agree with and would like an answer to the question "are you ok flying 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay?" when a GJ person posted something snarky about Trans States' fight.
35 seats, 45 seats, 50 seats or 70 seats----really? They are all just commuter feeders for the big boys and girls. Contract flying is all it is and all it will ever be. Get a real job with a real company and then we can talk about pay rates based on aircraft size. Until then---fly your commuter plane and hope the industry starts moving so we can all move on to a better world. Then the next round of young guys can argue over making $25 or $ $28 per flight hour to fly a 50 seat or 70 seat. Either one is poverty wages but the $ 28 per hour can beat his chest and brag about how great his union is over the other guy. Then another guy will be furloughed and bragging about how his group stood up for their rights to more money to fly 20 more seats-----then go check the mail for the unemployment check. I do not understand the commuter airline mentality of we deserve more when it is only contract work to the lowest bidder.
03-03-2012 | 11:16 AM
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I would rather fly 70 seat jets for 50 seat pay than be furloughed from TSA, Comair or Eagle, etc... What you guys don't understand is that it is all sucky pay to some of us that have moved on to career jobs with good pay only to be furloughed and have to go back to regional flying.
35 seats, 45 seats, 50 seats or 70 seats----really? They are all just commuter feeders for the big boys and girls. Contract flying is all it is and all it will ever be. Get a real job with a real company and then we can talk about pay rates based on aircraft size. Until then---fly your commuter plane and hope the industry starts moving so we can all move on to a better world. Then the next round of young guys can argue over making $25 or $ $28 per flight hour to fly a 50 seat or 70 seat. Either one is poverty wages but the $ 28 per hour can beat his chest and brag about how great his union is over the other guy. Then another guy will be furloughed and bragging about how his group stood up for their rights to more money to fly 20 more seats-----then go check the mail for the unemployment check. I do not understand the commuter airline mentality of we deserve more when it is only contract work to the lowest bidder.
35 seats, 45 seats, 50 seats or 70 seats----really? They are all just commuter feeders for the big boys and girls. Contract flying is all it is and all it will ever be. Get a real job with a real company and then we can talk about pay rates based on aircraft size. Until then---fly your commuter plane and hope the industry starts moving so we can all move on to a better world. Then the next round of young guys can argue over making $25 or $ $28 per flight hour to fly a 50 seat or 70 seat. Either one is poverty wages but the $ 28 per hour can beat his chest and brag about how great his union is over the other guy. Then another guy will be furloughed and bragging about how his group stood up for their rights to more money to fly 20 more seats-----then go check the mail for the unemployment check. I do not understand the commuter airline mentality of we deserve more when it is only contract work to the lowest bidder.
Well I guess we can ease up on the scope and let 90, 100, 110 seat flying into the regional market... Flying for 50 seat pay.. After all, its all commuter feeders for "the big boys". Pay doesnt matter.
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