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ShyGuy 03-09-2012 08:21 PM
Unless you know some news I don't, I haven't gained employment elsewhere yet. The points brought up are valid, there is no precedence for any of it. We're all along for the ride now, it's just a matter of time before we find out.

Fly782 03-10-2012 04:16 AM
Its quite funny that since Feb 28th you have been non existent, posting only at night and weekends. It is almost like your doing something important... With the frequency you used to post its odd you just disappeared along with him on airlink.

PCLCREW 03-10-2012 04:40 AM
I wouldn't also call VX pillar of financial stability. VX has a higher chance of playing a vanishing act then Pinnacle. Has VX ever posted a profit?
Just because your sitting in an Airbus rather then an RJ now your overall position hasn't really changed.
VX pay is also well... By no means much to brag about.

Luv2Rotate 03-10-2012 05:15 AM
I was under the impression VX required ATP and 1000hrs of PIC? The way Shy has been crying about his upgrade, implies that he has neither.

The Juice 03-10-2012 05:37 AM
I was under the impression VX required ATP and 1000hrs of PIC? The way Shy has been crying about his upgrade, implies that he has neither.
No PIC requirement anymore.

I should call my friend at VX and tell him about the new FO that he will be sharing a flight deck with.

belliott 03-10-2012 06:18 AM
Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 1149106)
No PIC requirement anymore.

I should call my friend at VX and tell him about the new FO that he will be sharing a flight deck with.
You mean friends right?

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 07:31 AM
Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1149046)
Its quite funny that since Feb 28th you have been non existent, posting only at night and weekends. It is almost like your doing something important... With the frequency you used to post its odd you just disappeared along with him on airlink.
I get trips during weekdays and hold all weekends off. Most of my browsing email, news, and forums is at night. I haven't disappeared, I'm still here. But Ive gotten quiet now because I'm finally in the acceptance phase. Before, it was denial, disappointment, etc. But now is the final stage, acceptance of what's happened and knowing nothing I can do can change what has happened. It still doesn't change the fact I'm applying and trying to get out, which I think many pre-merger 9E pilots are doing as well.

IBPilot 03-10-2012 07:44 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1149184)
I get trips during weekdays and hold all weekends off. Most of my browsing email, news, and forums is at night. I haven't disappeared, I'm still here. But Ive gotten quiet now because I can no longer hide behind an anonymous screenname and spew BS since everyone has figured out who I really am. It still doesn't change the fact I'm applying and trying to get out, which I think many pre-merger 9E pilots are doing as well.
fixed it for you.

Fly782 03-10-2012 07:47 AM
So back to this topic. Why do majority feel the Qs will be parked as well? Onviously the Saabs will be.

9easy 03-10-2012 07:55 AM
Funny to watch people who mocked Manswers, suddenly become jealous of him. In a week or so he'll be having overnights in Vegas with hot young FA's, while you'll be doing Moline RR's with 9E's finest.

VA hasn't made much profit but they also have a solid backing of venture financing, and a great product. Pinnacle has neither, just a failed business model and a huge fleet of obsolete aircraft.

MunkyButtr 03-10-2012 09:33 AM
Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 1149205)
Funny to watch people who mocked Manswers, suddenly become jealous of him. In a week or so he'll be having overnights in Vegas with hot young FA's, while you'll be doing Moline RR's with 9E's finest.

VA hasn't made much profit but they also have a solid backing of venture financing, and a great product. Pinnacle has neither, just a failed business model and a huge fleet of obsolete aircraft.
You aren't fooling anyone with the split personallity act. Enjoy Virgin, I'm sure they have a message board you can use to ruin your reputation there as well.

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by MunkyButtr (Post 1149266)
You aren't fooling anyone with the split personallity act. Enjoy Virgin, I'm sure they have a message board you can use to ruin your reputation there as well.
Not sure how you deduce me to somebody I'm not. I'm hardly the only disappointed FO at 9E. Ruin a reputation? Why would say that. The ones who have ruined reputations are the ones who sold out Pinnacle pilots, both in management and union. All I've done is call out the crap and BS that has happened at this airline. If that angers you, then blame those who got us to where we are. Not my fault if you can't handle the truth.

And no, I'm not 9Easy that you quoted.

AxialFlow 03-10-2012 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1149194)
So back to this topic. Why do majority feel the Qs will be parked as well? Onviously the Saabs will be.
My guess is that if United renegotiated the contract, they'd be opening the door for their other codeshare partners to come back and ask for the same.

PCLCREW 03-10-2012 03:01 PM
Funny to watch people who mocked Manswers, suddenly become jealous of him. In a week or so he'll be having overnights in Vegas with hot young FA's, while you'll be doing Moline RR's with 9E's finest.

VA hasn't made much profit but they also have a solid backing of venture financing, and a great product. Pinnacle has neither, just a failed business model and a huge fleet of obsolete aircraft.
No this is getting really funny. 2 screen names and calling yourself manswers.
This is truly classic.
But wait coping Jetblues business model also may not work for VX.
Vegas overnights. Ha ha ha ha. Classic.

Fly782 03-10-2012 03:16 PM
Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1149409)
My guess is that if United renegotiated the contract, they'd be opening the door for their other codeshare partners to come back and ask for the same.
Well that sucks. I keep hearing they are safe...:confused:

2StgTurbine 03-10-2012 03:47 PM
Originally Posted by AxialFlow (Post 1149409)
My guess is that if United renegotiated the contract, they'd be opening the door for their other codeshare partners to come back and ask for the same.
Others could, but they would have to prove to United that they are on the verge of bankruptcy which would cause their stock to drop.

Colgan is in a unique situation because they are the only large Q400 operator. It would take a lot of time and money to start a new Q400 operation at another carrier (or expand their current one). Also, I doubt any carrier would match our current price. If a CRJ or 145 operator tries to get more money from United, it would not be too difficult for United to give that flying to another RJ operator.

In the end it does not matter. Our fate was decided a long time ago and nothing we can do can change the outcome. In the end we lose. SM is not going to surprise us and announce he was joking and we are getting 15 more Qs and everything will be fine. If we do get more aircraft I am sure it will come with some sucker-punch to offset any possible positive outcome for the pilot group. Remember, management has a lot more control than us and they nearly always get what they want. A win for any pilot group is usually just maintain the status quo, or an outcome that ends up being slightly better than it could have been. We mare merely pawns fighting a lopsided battle.

MunkyButtr 03-10-2012 03:48 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1149327)
Not sure how you deduce me to somebody I'm not. I'm hardly the only disappointed FO at 9E. Ruin a reputation? Why would say that. The ones who have ruined reputations are the ones who sold out Pinnacle pilots, both in management and union. All I've done is call out the crap and BS that has happened at this airline. If that angers you, then blame those who got us to where we are. Not my fault if you can't handle the truth.

And no, I'm not 9Easy that you quoted.
It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out. You just admitted who you are with this post. How did you know I was referring to ShyGuy in my response to 9easy. By mentioning Virgin in my post I got your attention and you only outed yourself by responding. Let it go "manswer." Remember, the dealer always gets blackjack and NEVER put all your chips on red. I wish you the best of the luck, honestly.

p.s. Your activity on the Virgin thread on this site also screams your identity. Bow out, you made it out alive.

Skypilotsv1984 03-10-2012 03:57 PM
Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1149061)
I wouldn't also call VX pillar of financial stability. VX has a higher chance of playing a vanishing act then Pinnacle. Has VX ever posted a profit?
Just because your sitting in an Airbus rather then an RJ now your overall position hasn't really changed.
VX pay is also well... By no means much to brag about.
I'm sorry but...are you on crack? Pinnacle is a sinking ship. I say this as a Pinnacle employee.

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 05:05 PM
Originally Posted by PCLCREW (Post 1149422)
No this is getting really funny. 2 screen names and calling yourself manswers.
This is truly classic.
But wait coping Jetblues business model also may not work for VX.
Vegas overnights. Ha ha ha ha. Classic.
I assure you I have one screen name, and this name only. I have no reason to create a fake user name, nor would I ever want to disclose my real name. I don't need multiple screen names to call out things the way I see them. 9easy is somebody else, if you are really interested, then find an IP tracker and you can confirm for yourself that I have only one name that I post under.

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure it out. You just admitted who you are with this post. How did you know I was referring to ShyGuy in my response to 9easy. By mentioning Virgin in my post I got your attention and you only outed yourself by responding. Let it go "manswer." Remember, the dealer always gets blackjack and NEVER put all your chips on red. I wish you the best of the luck, honestly.

p.s. Your activity on the Virgin thread on this site also screams your identity. Bow out, you made it out alive.
I responded to you because you made the public assumption that I was 9easy and that I had a split personality act. I have never had any other screen name here. I don't know who 9easy is, and it isn't my concern. You made the assumption. If you really don't have a life, go download an IP tracker and confirm for yourself that I am not who you think I am.

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-10-2012 05:09 PM
I'm sorry but...are you on crack? Pinnacle is a sinking ship. I say this as a Pinnacle employee.
I've been told people think more clearly on crack and can operate machinery better.

Question, if I have a chance to go somewhere I can get abused for the same pay and a quick upgrade resulting in even more schedule abuse, is it worth the turbine pic time to bail? I keep going back and fourth on this.

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1149445)
Others could, but they would have to prove to United that they are on the verge of bankruptcy which would cause their stock to drop.

Colgan is in a unique situation because they are the only large Q400 operator. It would take a lot of time and money to start a new Q400 operation at another carrier (or expand their current one). Also, I doubt any carrier would match our current price. If a CRJ or 145 operator tries to get more money from United, it would not be too difficult for United to give that flying to another RJ operator.
Our current price? You mean the one that is running at a full loss? We cannot sustain this long term.

In the end it does not matter. Our fate was decided a long time ago and nothing we can do can change the outcome. In the end we lose. SM is not going to surprise us and announce he was joking and we are getting 15 more Qs and everything will be fine. If we do get more aircraft I am sure it will come with some sucker-punch to offset any possible positive outcome for the pilot group. Remember, management has a lot more control than us and they nearly always get what they want. A win for any pilot group is usually just maintain the status quo, or an outcome that ends up being slightly better than it could have been. We mare merely pawns fighting a lopsided battle.
I think you'd be out of touch with reality to think we are getting more airplanes. Menke and new management have already turned down flying and not bid flying contracts because they needed to clean house first, as in the merger, 11-09, and one list. We are pawns in the game of chess, but our strategic position (which is terrible by the way) is 70% due to union actions on the merger itself. A bunch of chest thumping, greedy self-interest actions and disagreements led us to where we are today.

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-10-2012 05:25 PM
A bunch of chest thumping, greedy self-interest actions and disagreements led us to where we are today.
So what. I hope this place burns to the ground. It's what pinnacle deserves.

AxialFlow 03-10-2012 05:29 PM
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1149498)
Question, if I have a chance to go somewhere I can get abused for the same pay and a quick upgrade resulting in even more schedule abuse, is it worth the turbine pic time to bail? I keep going back and fourth on this.
The Turbine PIC is the biggest key that will open doors for you.

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-10-2012 05:34 PM
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1149498)
Question, if I have a chance to go somewhere I can get abused for the same pay and a quick upgrade resulting in even more schedule abuse, is it worth the turbine pic time to bail? I keep going back and fourth on this.
The Turbine PIC is the biggest key that will open doors for you.
I'm worried I make the switch and upgrades suddenly aren't quick anymore. Also, I'm talking abuse worse than pre contract pinnacle reserve. 24/7 on call with a 30 min call out? Worth the chance?

AxialFlow 03-10-2012 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1149445)
Others could, but they would have to prove to United that they are on the verge of bankruptcy which would cause their stock to drop.

Colgan is in a unique situation because they are the only large Q400 operator. It would take a lot of time and money to start a new Q400 operation at another carrier (or expand their current one). Also, I doubt any carrier would match our current price. If a CRJ or 145 operator tries to get more money from United, it would not be too difficult for United to give that flying to another RJ operator.

In the end it does not matter. Our fate was decided a long time ago and nothing we can do can change the outcome. In the end we lose. SM is not going to surprise us and announce he was joking and we are getting 15 more Qs and everything will be fine. If we do get more aircraft I am sure it will come with some sucker-punch to offset any possible positive outcome for the pilot group. Remember, management has a lot more control than us and they nearly always get what they want. A win for any pilot group is usually just maintain the status quo, or an outcome that ends up being slightly better than it could have been. We mare merely pawns fighting a lopsided battle.
That's a good point...and who's to say if United and Pinnacle renegotiated the terms of the contract, that the details would be released? (Do they have to be released?) I've heard that we turned down delivery of more Q's a little ways back because we didn't have the staffing for it...now if United and Colgan came to an agreement where the Saabs were parked, we might be better able to handle more Q deliveries? You're right though, whatever happens will happen. Either way...gotta do something in the crashpad...might as well kick the can and crack another Natty Lite!

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1149515)
I'm worried I make the switch and upgrades suddenly aren't quick anymore. Also, I'm talking abuse worse than pre contract pinnacle reserve. 24/7 on call with a 30 min call out? Worth the chance?
Do be careful chasing an upgrade! I thought you were talking about GoJet, but that's probably not it.

The Turbine PIC is the biggest key that will open doors for you.
True, however, there will be thousands ahead that have tons of TPIC. Airlines today realize that the industry has stagnated, and they are giving credit for higher time FOs with SIC only and 0 TPIC. Jetblue, Spirit, and Virgin America have been known to hire FOs. CrakPipeOverheat, you could give those three a shot.

2StgTurbine 03-10-2012 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1149499)
Our current price? You mean the one that is running at a full loss? We cannot sustain this long term.
That is my point. We are losing money at the current rate we have, so it would be very unlikely for another operator to match that price and suffer the same fate.

Fly782 03-10-2012 06:16 PM
Well Shyguy just PMed me and stated the most recent threads on airlink, which I know MA is no longer a member of. So either one of his friends told him or hes not MA :(

ShyGuy 03-10-2012 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1149540)
That is my point. We are losing money at the current rate we have, so it would be very unlikely for another operator to match that price and suffer the same fate.
Right, but someone else like Commutair could offer lower labor rates and better terms than what we offer, either the same price now or a slightly higher cost. I just hope we all know sooner rather than later what happens with the United/Continental negotiations.

9easy 03-10-2012 07:43 PM
I'm definitely not MAnswers, and if I got a job at VA I'd hopefully never look at this message board again much less give a crap about pinnacle.

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-11-2012 05:36 AM
Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1149537)
Do be careful chasing an upgrade! I thought you were talking about GoJet, but that's probably not it.


True, however, there will be thousands ahead that have tons of TPIC. Airlines today realize that the industry has stagnated, and they are giving credit for higher time FOs with SIC only and 0 TPIC. Jetblue, Spirit, and Virgin America have been known to hire FOs. CrakPipeOverheat, you could give those three a shot.
I have apps in but no ATP. Maybe that's why I'm not getting called. The thing is, I don't think I would end my career at any of those three carriers. It would just be a nicer place to wait things out for me. I would be more comfortable ending my career there if I had to over a regional. Thanks for the advice guys. Ultimately, I guess I will have to make a tough decision about chasing an upgrade. I think the bigger risk is taking the new job with the slave labor schedule for the no guarantee upgrade than just staying at Pinnacle. This decision will come down to the final hour.

Also, stop picking on ShyGuy.

9easy 03-11-2012 05:43 PM
People said the same thing about Southwest and Fedex 10 years ago... Now most pilots would give anything to end their career at those places

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-12-2012 04:19 AM
Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 1149985)
People said the same thing about Southwest and Fedex 10 years ago... Now most pilots would give anything to end their career at those places
And vise versa with some of the good airlines of the past. I hope Pinnacle becomes the next Southwest.

FlyJSH 03-12-2012 10:58 AM
(takes a sip of coffee, then reads: )

Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1150112)
And vise versa with some of the good airlines of the past. I hope Pinnacle becomes the next Southwest.
(Coughing and choking...)

Boy, you got a TON of hope, or you are living up to your screen name.

CrakPipeOvrheat 03-12-2012 11:36 AM
(takes a sip of coffee, then reads: )

Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1150112)
And vise versa with some of the good airlines of the past. I hope Pinnacle becomes the next Southwest.
(Coughing and choking...)

Boy, you got a TON of hope, or you are living up to your screen name.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

B200 Hawk 03-12-2012 11:48 AM
Stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock, everybody!

Jamers 03-12-2012 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by B200 Hawk (Post 1150382)
Stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock stock, everybody!
Reaction to news of EAS pullout?

mikeypat15 03-12-2012 01:51 PM
Originally Posted by Jamers (Post 1150405)
Reaction to news of EAS pullout?
No bankruptcy yet is good news?

Avroman 03-12-2012 05:22 PM
I am guessing a penny stock trader accidentally clicked the wrong box.

FlyJSH 03-13-2012 01:31 AM
Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat (Post 1150369)
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Fair enough, and Amen to that.


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