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Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan's future. Poll
There's a lot of theories and speculation about what's going on behind closed doors at our company. April 2nd is around the corner so what do you think will happen based on just facts?
My theory: 1. United will negotiate new rates for the Q400 and not the Saabs. 2. File Chapter 11 which is what it wanted all along anyway. 3. Not only keep operating the Q's but get at least 15 more and park the Saabs. 4. Expressjet will come in with the 135's and take over most of the Saab flying for a while. 5. The company will probably get the courts to allow furlough out of seniority while it gets more Q's on board. 6. Our contract is tossed and we take pay cuts and other concessions. It'll at least be interesting to look back a year from now and see what actually happened. I'm sure with whatever pans out, the shareholders are not going to be happy and with good reason. |
Don't forget, April fool's day is on April 1st !
Pilots can't save a company by taking pay cuts, management knows that. |
I agree with your theory except I do not think there would be furloughs... Especially out of order. We are only staffed for a little over half of our Saabs right now so parking them all wouldnt be be as bad of a hit as some think or cause a major overstaffing issue. IMO of course
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How many saabs does Colgan have
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Around 30 I think
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If bankruptcy is declared we need to get rid of the LIDO contract. Those updates are a good 2+ hrs a month.
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Out of seniority furloughs will never happen. There is no precedent for it. If the judge needs more money to offset costs, he will just cut deeper.
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Check this rumor out. I got a text from a fellow pilot saying he saw the CEO of SkyWest in downtown memphis. He claims that they were there for a potential buy. Lets see how far this rumor goes.
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Originally Posted by da_flyn_hawyn
(Post 1148438)
Check this rumor out. I got a text from a fellow pilot saying he saw the CEO of SkyWest in downtown memphis. He claims that they were there for a potential buy. Lets see how far this rumor goes.
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Originally Posted by da_flyn_hawyn
(Post 1148438)
Check this rumor out. I got a text from a fellow pilot saying he saw the CEO of SkyWest in downtown memphis. He claims that they were there for a potential buy. Lets see how far this rumor goes.
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Originally Posted by da_flyn_hawyn
(Post 1148438)
Check this rumor out. I got a text from a fellow pilot saying he saw the CEO of SkyWest in downtown memphis. He claims that they were there for a potential buy. Lets see how far this rumor goes.
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I did here from a mesaba jumpseater that pinnacle is going back to jepps !!!!! Makes sense seeing as both them and Colgan use jepps. We should all be on the same page. ....
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Originally Posted by rightside02
(Post 1148463)
I did here from a mesaba jumpseater that pinnacle is going back to jepps !!!!! Makes sense seeing as both them and Colgan use jepps. We should all be on the same page. ....
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Originally Posted by da_flyn_hawyn
(Post 1148438)
Check this rumor out. I got a text from a fellow pilot saying he saw the CEO of SkyWest in downtown memphis. He claims that they were there for a potential buy. Lets see how far this rumor goes.
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Originally Posted by Silver02ex
(Post 1148445)
If they can't get merge XJT, ASA and Skywest yet, I hate to see the new mess if it's true.
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I think the newspaper article yesterday pretty much says the Saabs are being parked as the EAS contracts expire and someone else picks up the flying.
United would be idiots to not bring more Q's on if they can, things would save them tons of money. |
Postd on other site
A message from John Spanjers Hello everyone Yesterday we filed a Notice of Withdrawal with the Department of Transportation (DOT) to signal that Colgan will not bid to renew Essential Air Service (EAS) flying that we operate on behalf of United Express. We currently serve these markets with Saab aircraft out of Washington Dulles (IAD) and Bush Intercontinental in Houston (IAH). These EAS markets are: · Altoona, PA (AOO) · Johnstown, PA (JST) · Staunton, VA – Shenandoah Valley (SHD) · Beckley, WV (BKW) · Clarksburg, WV (CKB) · Morgantown, WV (MGW) · Victoria, TX (VCT) This decision is part of our ongoing efforts to improve operating efficiency and ultimately performance. Eliminating service to these markets will allow us to concentrate our network and focus more resources in the primary areas of our operations. It’s important to note that we continue to serve these markets for now. Due to EAS regulations, we will remain in these markets until the DOT selects a replacement carrier and a transition date is agreed upon. The earliest we might exit these markets is 90 days from now, and if a new carrier is not selected within the 90-day window we are required to continue service until a new carrier is ready to begin operations. Ultimately, today’s announcement means business as usual for the time being. We are communicating with every employee who will be impacted when we eventually do exit these markets. Wherever possible we’re working to provide other opportunities for those employees who are interested in staying with Pinnacle Airlines Corp. Those who aren’t interested or able to find other opportunities will be offered a stay incentive in order to maintain safe, reliable operations through the last scheduled day of flying. Remaining Colgan flying This decision, combined with our previously-announced decision to eliminate our pro-rate flying with US Airways, will leave Colgan with non-EAS Saab flying out of IAD and IAH supporting United Express. Those Saabs currently serve more than 20 markets. Colgan also operates our Q400s for United Express. Additionally, Colgan continues to currently serve the US Airways EAS markets of Plattsburg, NY (PBG), Presque Isle, ME (PQI), and Bar Harbor, ME (BHB), along with a daily flight from Boston (BOS) to Albany (ALB) to provide those Saabs a flow into our maintenance facility in ALB. Earlier this week the DOT announced it has selected replacement carriers for these EAS markets, but the timeline for them to begin service has not been set. When the replacement carriers take over those markets, Colgan will no longer operate flights for US Airways. This will be a difficult milestone in our history. Colgan has been flying for US Airways since 1999, and we’ve maintained a great relationship with them throughout the years. It’s never easy to end a relationship with a great partner like US Airways, but ultimately these changes are necessary to continue creating a more efficient and reliable network. We’ll continue to provide updates as we learn more about the progress on selecting replacement carriers for these EAS markets. John |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 1148392)
If bankruptcy is declared we need to get rid of the LIDO contract. Those updates are a good 2+ hrs a month.
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
(Post 1148461)
That's so retarded, I don't even know where to begin. He just happened to see J.A. in downtown Memphis? A pilot just happened to pick J.A. out of a crowd of people in Memphis's financial district? What... was he hanging outside of PNCL's headquarters? Is anyone really dumb enough to believe such a thing?
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Originally Posted by Fly782
(Post 1148485)
Postd on other site
A message from John Spanjers Hello everyone Yesterday we filed a Notice of Withdrawal with the Department of Transportation (DOT) to signal that Colgan will not bid to renew Essential Air Service (EAS) flying that we operate on behalf of United Express. We currently serve these markets with Saab aircraft out of Washington Dulles (IAD) and Bush Intercontinental in Houston (IAH). These EAS markets are: · Altoona, PA (AOO) · Johnstown, PA (JST) · Staunton, VA – Shenandoah Valley (SHD) · Beckley, WV (BKW) · Clarksburg, WV (CKB) · Morgantown, WV (MGW) · Victoria, TX (VCT) This decision is part of our ongoing efforts to improve operating efficiency and ultimately performance. Eliminating service to these markets will allow us to concentrate our network and focus more resources in the primary areas of our operations. It’s important to note that we continue to serve these markets for now. Due to EAS regulations, we will remain in these markets until the DOT selects a replacement carrier and a transition date is agreed upon. The earliest we might exit these markets is 90 days from now, and if a new carrier is not selected within the 90-day window we are required to continue service until a new carrier is ready to begin operations. Ultimately, today’s announcement means business as usual for the time being. We are communicating with every employee who will be impacted when we eventually do exit these markets. Wherever possible we’re working to provide other opportunities for those employees who are interested in staying with Pinnacle Airlines Corp. Those who aren’t interested or able to find other opportunities will be offered a stay incentive in order to maintain safe, reliable operations through the last scheduled day of flying. Remaining Colgan flying This decision, combined with our previously-announced decision to eliminate our pro-rate flying with US Airways, will leave Colgan with non-EAS Saab flying out of IAD and IAH supporting United Express. Those Saabs currently serve more than 20 markets. Colgan also operates our Q400s for United Express. Additionally, Colgan continues to currently serve the US Airways EAS markets of Plattsburg, NY (PBG), Presque Isle, ME (PQI), and Bar Harbor, ME (BHB), along with a daily flight from Boston (BOS) to Albany (ALB) to provide those Saabs a flow into our maintenance facility in ALB. Earlier this week the DOT announced it has selected replacement carriers for these EAS markets, but the timeline for them to begin service has not been set. When the replacement carriers take over those markets, Colgan will no longer operate flights for US Airways. This will be a difficult milestone in our history. Colgan has been flying for US Airways since 1999, and we’ve maintained a great relationship with them throughout the years. It’s never easy to end a relationship with a great partner like US Airways, but ultimately these changes are necessary to continue creating a more efficient and reliable network. We’ll continue to provide updates as we learn more about the progress on selecting replacement carriers for these EAS markets. John |
Ya... The Saabs will be parked then (Juneish) The article that was posted from Johnstown, PA saying June was correct but it wasnt supposed to be posted hence the change an hour later.
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Originally Posted by mikeypat15
(Post 1148491)
To me this is a somewhat good sign, now not tied up in EAS contracts in case we want to pursue other flying.
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Originally Posted by lolwut
(Post 1148515)
Haha the only flying they're going to pursue after getting rid of these EAS contracts is flying the Saabs to storage.
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Was the Skywest CEO in mem to go to corkys? Not trying to make fun but my point is is that if he really was in mem he was there to sign something.
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Originally Posted by PinnacleFO
(Post 1148552)
Was the Skywest CEO in mem to go to corkys? Not trying to make fun but my point is is that if he really was in mem he was there to sign something.
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Originally Posted by Aldous Snow
(Post 1148559)
Maybe he is buying the 9L Q's?
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Can't believe this. Easy guys.
Propdriver started this rumor: (he was kidding) I was walking into the headquarters building today and saw Menke and Jerry Atkin (CEO of Skywest) walking out together. A couple higher ups in the training department that I shared an elevator with told me that Jerry has been seen a lot around headquarters this week. Could the announcement on Friday be that we're being sold to Skywest?? Last edited by PropDriver; 03-06-2012 at 05:09 PM. |
I don't think it would be to far sited for Skywest to take over the EAS markets, and the Q flying. If that is the case and we dump that flying I wouldn't know why we would have to go into BK. 15 900's in ATL shouldn't take the whole ship into BK. Another thought that I have is, they can't fill classes for the Delta flying so let's dump the United flying(less profitable) and now you have pilots to fill those spots.
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Postd on other site A message from John Spanjers Hello everyone Yesterday we filed a Notice of Withdrawal with the Department of Transportation (DOT) to signal that Colgan will not bid to renew Essential Air Service (EAS) flying that we operate on behalf of United Express. We currently serve these markets with Saab aircraft out of Washington Dulles (IAD) and Bush Intercontinental in Houston (IAH). These EAS markets are: · Altoona, PA (AOO) · Johnstown, PA (JST) · Staunton, VA – Shenandoah Valley (SHD) · Beckley, WV (BKW) · Clarksburg, WV (CKB) · Morgantown, WV (MGW) · Victoria, TX (VCT) This decision is part of our ongoing efforts to improve operating efficiency and ultimately performance. Eliminating service to these markets will allow us to concentrate our network and focus more resources in the primary areas of our operations. It’s important to note that we continue to serve these markets for now. Due to EAS regulations, we will remain in these markets until the DOT selects a replacement carrier and a transition date is agreed upon. The earliest we might exit these markets is 90 days from now, and if a new carrier is not selected within the 90-day window we are required to continue service until a new carrier is ready to begin operations. Ultimately, today’s announcement means business as usual for the time being. We are communicating with every employee who will be impacted when we eventually do exit these markets. Wherever possible we’re working to provide other opportunities for those employees who are interested in staying with Pinnacle Airlines Corp. Those who aren’t interested or able to find other opportunities will be offered a stay incentive in order to maintain safe, reliable operations through the last scheduled day of flying. Remaining Colgan flying This decision, combined with our previously-announced decision to eliminate our pro-rate flying with US Airways, will leave Colgan with non-EAS Saab flying out of IAD and IAH supporting United Express. Those Saabs currently serve more than 20 markets. Colgan also operates our Q400s for United Express. Additionally, Colgan continues to currently serve the US Airways EAS markets of Plattsburg, NY (PBG), Presque Isle, ME (PQI), and Bar Harbor, ME (BHB), along with a daily flight from Boston (BOS) to Albany (ALB) to provide those Saabs a flow into our maintenance facility in ALB. Earlier this week the DOT announced it has selected replacement carriers for these EAS markets, but the timeline for them to begin service has not been set. When the replacement carriers take over those markets, Colgan will no longer operate flights for US Airways. This will be a difficult milestone in our history. Colgan has been flying for US Airways since 1999, and we’ve maintained a great relationship with them throughout the years. It’s never easy to end a relationship with a great partner like US Airways, but ultimately these changes are necessary to continue creating a more efficient and reliable network. We’ll continue to provide updates as we learn more about the progress on selecting replacement carriers for these EAS markets. John Looks like Blueberry and her crew will be slinging bags for someone else soon |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1148600)
RIP to the Redneck Triangle.
Looks like Blueberry and her crew will be slinging bags for someone else soon |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1148600)
RIP to the Redneck Triangle.
Looks like Blueberry and her crew will be slinging bags for someone else soon |
Originally Posted by The Juice
(Post 1148600)
RIP to the Redneck Triangle.
Looks like Blueberry and her crew will be slinging bags for someone else soon http://www.artzberger.com/BeerCans/n...Busch_camo.jpg |
Originally Posted by B200 Hawk
(Post 1148741)
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
(Post 1148768)
Finally! Thanks to Busch for creating a camo can. Now I can drink while I hunt without spooking the turkeys.
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Out of seniority furloughs can be easily done because Colgan's operation is still seperate from the Pinnacle operation. So what if there hasn't been a precedence before? There wasn't any precedence for a 2007 DOH prop guy to be more senior to a jet guy hired in 2000 at a regional. There's always a first.
Lets be honest, there's absolutely zero reason why Pinnacle should have to furlough a Pinnacle CRJ qualified pilot at JFK just to retrain some colgan Saab pilot. It doesn't add up financially. This airline did not need one list, we got it anyway in order to prevent a whipsaw. Ironically, this one list will end up being one of the downfalls of this place, the others being the old management decisions under Phil T and his gang. The mess created by 11-09, the ensuing displacements resulting from the parking of the Mesaba Saabs and Colgan Saabs will be the downfall. This airline's financial health would have been a lot better without one list, and then just furlough and downgrade the affected Mesaba and/or Colgan pilot. If your fleet is headed for the desert, only the affected pilot should be at loss. Not some innocent pilot across another certificate! Oh well, you reap what you sow. The 9E union will learn that the hard way. |
Dont you have better things to do now at the almighty VX?
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1148914)
Out of seniority furloughs can be easily done because Colgan's operation is still seperate from the Pinnacle operation. So what if there hasn't been a precedence before? There wasn't any precedence for a 2007 DOH prop guy to be more senior to a jet guy hired in 2000 at a regional. There's always a first.
Lets be honest, there's absolutely zero reason why Pinnacle should have to furlough a Pinnacle CRJ qualified pilot at JFK just to retrain some colgan Saab pilot. It doesn't add up financially. This airline did not need one list, we got it anyway in order to prevent a whipsaw. Ironically, this one list will end up being one of the downfalls of this place, the others being the old management decisions under Phil T and his gang. The mess created by 11-09, the ensuing displacements resulting from the parking of the Mesaba Saabs and Colgan Saabs will be the downfall. This airline's financial health would have been a lot better without one list, and then just furlough and downgrade the affected Mesaba and/or Colgan pilot. If your fleet is headed for the desert, only the affected pilot should be at loss. Not some innocent pilot across another certificate! Oh well, you reap what you sow. The 9E union will learn that the hard way. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1148914)
Out of seniority furloughs can be easily done because Colgan's operation is still seperate from the Pinnacle operation. So what if there hasn't been a precedence before? There wasn't any precedence for a 2007 DOH prop guy to be more senior to a jet guy hired in 2000 at a regional. There's always a first.
Lets be honest, there's absolutely zero reason why Pinnacle should have to furlough a Pinnacle CRJ qualified pilot at JFK just to retrain some colgan Saab pilot. It doesn't add up financially. This airline did not need one list, we got it anyway in order to prevent a whipsaw. Ironically, this one list will end up being one of the downfalls of this place, the others being the old management decisions under Phil T and his gang. The mess created by 11-09, the ensuing displacements resulting from the parking of the Mesaba Saabs and Colgan Saabs will be the downfall. This airline's financial health would have been a lot better without one list, and then just furlough and downgrade the affected Mesaba and/or Colgan pilot. If your fleet is headed for the desert, only the affected pilot should be at loss. Not some innocent pilot across another certificate! Oh well, you reap what you sow. The 9E union will learn that the hard way. |
Originally Posted by ShyGuy
The 9E union will learn that the hard way.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
(Post 1148914)
Out of seniority furloughs can be easily done because Colgan's operation is still seperate from the Pinnacle operation. So what if there hasn't been a precedence before? There wasn't any precedence for a 2007 DOH prop guy to be more senior to a jet guy hired in 2000 at a regional. There's always a first.
Lets be honest, there's absolutely zero reason why Pinnacle should have to furlough a Pinnacle CRJ qualified pilot at JFK just to retrain some colgan Saab pilot. It doesn't add up financially. This airline did not need one list, we got it anyway in order to prevent a whipsaw. Ironically, this one list will end up being one of the downfalls of this place, the others being the old management decisions under Phil T and his gang. The mess created by 11-09, the ensuing displacements resulting from the parking of the Mesaba Saabs and Colgan Saabs will be the downfall. This airline's financial health would have been a lot better without one list, and then just furlough and downgrade the affected Mesaba and/or Colgan pilot. If your fleet is headed for the desert, only the affected pilot should be at loss. Not some innocent pilot across another certificate! Oh well, you reap what you sow. The 9E union will learn that the hard way. |
Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
(Post 1148935)
Your despicable MA, take your garbage to virgin and stop worrying about what happens here.
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