Not in this lifetime... stick to the crack pipe...you will have a better outcome.

Well were getting close to April 2nd and another Friday has passed with no BK... Any new predications with United? This whole thing is jacked up, delaying annual reports to cook the books, BK to be filed the last 2 weeks, filing to get out of EAS, and just the general run around thus far. Thoughts?

It's been very quiet lately. Almost too quiet!

Yeah little to quiet...only thing I know is the SEC needs to get some numbers IMO. We are almost out of the first quarter of this year still looking for last years numbers lol. How long do they get to cook the books?

This is probably for the best for most of us in the long run. I still don't see how United is going to find someone to do their flying at the rates they want to pay. It will probably just make the rounds around the regional world, I'm sure there are other CEO's out there are just as greedy as Phil.

No doubt..

Oo yayyyy how fantastic

Yeah been hearing the samething, and that Skywest wants the Q400s on property. After all, they did want Horizons Q400 at one point but was turned away.... But then again, oil prices are on the rise and 50 seat RJ flying ain't gonna cut it much longer...

If they do sell the q's Pinnacle will not be around past 2017 IMO. They would be giving up their ability to branch out on their own and they would once again be a dci only carrier. The only other thing I could see happening after this is delta purchasing pncl certificate in bk and start parking 50 seat aircraft. Then the possibility would present itself to merge pncl and comairs lists and create a gateway to delta in the future to cover the 800 plus pilots per year that they will lose in 4 or 5 years.

Skywest wanted Horizon, Mesa, XJ planes but not the pilots. XJ didn't pan out. They did get Horizons jets without the pilots and Mesa's flying without the pilots.

Makes me want to leave.

Take me with you :D

This thread is all doom and gloom.... And picking on Shyguy. I mean the dude's direct, but I've never read anything with him directly putting anyone down. Just speaks his mind.

No one has a clue what's happening on April 2nd. And there most likely won't be an announcement before then.

So if the Colgan unit gets sold, which pilots go with em?

PRobably the Q400 trained guys. Why take guys without the rating and time in aircraft?

Sign me up! Good riddance Pinnacle.

No offense to them
Personally cause I have good friends who work for Colgan, but if they get sold, Colgan pilots should be the ones to get cut, they came to this deal with a poor product that doesn't make money, why should pinnacle pilots suffer because of their poor previous agreements ? Again I hope this doesn't happen but a furlough of pinnacle pilots would be totally insane in my book. I am not trying to say this cause I am a 9e guy, it just wouldn't make sense.

I guess time will tell, good luck to everybody that does get effected

Last I checked your awesome CEO made it so Colgan couldnt make money. ISL or not Trenary screwed everyone in some way or another thus making everyone a part of it.

Just flew in to YYZ on a DH and saw 3Qs parked outside Downsview airport. One was painted white and red, one seemed not to be painted, and the third was white with a blue tail. That being said, we are not the only ones flying Qs with blue tails.

And for those that think they know what is going to happen realize that we only have 10% of the information we need to make such statements as, "The Colgan side will be eliminated" or "SkyWest is buying us".

What is the significance of April 2? I know everyone has been saying they will tell us something on that day but where did you hear that from. I didn't see the memo.

Pinnacle has some short term financial relief from Bombardier and United/Continental. These agreements were set to end on April 2nd.

Yikes. Hoping for the best.

These oil prices are going up way too fast. :eek:

I agree with your sell rumor thoughts. Everyone is going to require money to operate the Qs, if United could get away with paying us a little more to make us happy they may do that. Skywest would require alot more I feel, which kills United huge profits from us on the Qs.

There is no conspiracy of Q's in hangers or at the YYZ airport.
Your white and blue Q was probably this
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nPIg0n7Ane...r-Airlines.jpg

That is what I thought. The point is, one Q with a blue tail got turned into five Qs painted in United colors. Like everything said on this thread, only 10% is based on facts and the rest on speculation and rumor.

For the First Officers with no turbine PIC and potentially no upgrade anytime soon, if we lose more airplanes. Are people trying to leave? I know there are a lot of guys paying for their own ATP but at other regionals they have already announced FO's will be getting ATP's on their next PC. I would like to know what the plan is for us with regards to the ATP. I want to bail if things go south here but they are so SLOW to tell us anything I am debating leaving before I hear what the deal is.

Pinnacle has quite a few FOs with no TPIC bailing out to Spirit and Virgin. All of them invested in the ATP on their own.

I doubt they are even thinking about ATP's right now unless it is how they can get us to pay them to do the check ride.

Knowing Pinnacle/Colgan, they will wait until the last minute, panic, and shove everyone through a half a$$ ATP program in their usual Chinese Fire Drill mode.......

I'm thinking they want to do the furloughs before they start doing ATP's so they don't have to pay for guys who won't be flying here. If they take a recall they will get them an ATP at that time. There will probably be a lot of voluntary furloughs so they won't know at this point who is staying and needs an ATP. I would be interested in a voluntary furlough. I want to chase the quick upgrade without losing my seniority and longevity at Pinnacle.

I think most carriers make you resign your seniority at your previous carrier in order to be hired, be careful.

Where are you getting this?

It's just conjecture but anything is possible these days.

Just a guess.

Um all Colgan hires were required to have ATP written and 1500hrs when I was hired. So, we can easily do the ATP during a PC or RPT before the deadline. Heck, our PC's are already to ATP standards. Shouldn't be much of an issue.

+1 ^^

The only difference between a PC and a type ride for us right now is on a type the CA candidate has to do a single engine missed approach.

Everything else is held to ATP standards already.

An ATP ride isn't that difficult. It's the written that's the beeotch. Go through ATP or Sheppard (sp?) and it's a guaranteed pass.

...and the Oral is a little more then the usual few questions out of the study guide. My examiner busted out one of those ASA ATP Oral Exam guides we all used as Instructors.

...and he seemed to know exactly what I have not even thought about since I was an Instructor lol

Wouldn't it have to be with an APD as well? That might make it tougher to schedule.

It is probably a combination of them having no plans beyond two months for any aspect of the business and also them knowing how many FOs will leave once they finally get their free ATP.