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Silverwings 03-12-2012 07:46 AM

Why so much emphasis on failed check rides? I am only asking because being a pilot that had all his flight training abroad (different country, different language) it is hard for me to understand.

If you have the license/rating it means you passed the check-ride, otherwise you would not have that license/rating, right? I understand if you failed the same check-ride several times, but why should be one in a "black list" for failing check rides the first time you take them?

I never failed a check-ride in my native country, then I moved to the US and in the process of getting my American commercial-multi I failed because I dragged concepts about flying from home that did not apply here (too long to explain, not blaming anyone, my fault!)

Ok, I failed, I took it again and passed! Can't one make a mistake? Why is my license not as good as the license of a pilot that passed the ride on the first try?

I would love to know what all fellow pilots think about this, thanks!

Senior Skipper 03-12-2012 07:51 AM

One failure shouldn't kill you, but after the colgan accident, where it was found that the Captain lied about his history of multiple failures, companies are now more critical of pilots who have a pattern of failures, due to media pressure.

mooney 03-12-2012 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149473)
When I said on I meant from a JS pov.


I think the RJ is a hell of alot harder to fly/learn than the space shuttle. And I have flown the space shuttle. When I say that I mean at space camp when I was 7.....

Cruz5350 03-12-2012 10:19 AM

I wish I could have gone to space camp :(

Luv2Rotate 03-12-2012 10:26 AM

Have you ever been to space camp on weed man

FlyJSH 03-12-2012 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by Silverwings (Post 1150216)
Why so much emphasis on failed check rides? I am only asking because being a pilot that had all his flight training abroad (different country, different language) it is hard for me to understand.

If you have the license/rating it means you passed the check-ride, otherwise you would not have that license/rating, right? I understand if you failed the same check-ride several times, but why should be one in a "black list" for failing check rides the first time you take them?

I never failed a check-ride in my native country, then I moved to the US and in the process of getting my American commercial-multi I failed because I dragged concepts about flying from home that did not apply here (too long to explain, not blaming anyone, my fault!)

Ok, I failed, I took it again and passed! Can't one make a mistake? Why is my license not as good as the license of a pilot that passed the ride on the first try?

I would love to know what all fellow pilots think about this, thanks!

You mean Bernoulli works differently in your home country? :confused::D

Wingtips 03-12-2012 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by FlyJSH (Post 1150328)
You mean Bernoulli works differently in your home country? :confused::D

Back in my day, you had to be a graduate from space camp to get a regional job. 510210501240921 hours total time, and be able to down 5 beers in 10 seconds while hanging upside down. I had to go out and CFI for 10 years, then fly night freight in a plane that flew by me flapping my arms all night, in ice, with no boots, and rabbit wolves in the cabin. After 25 years of that, you might get hired by great lakes.

Guys these days just are not ready for the RJ life. Not sure how guys under 1000 hours have been hired for over 12 years now to fly RJs. Its such a shock to me that it has begun to happen.

450knotOffice 03-12-2012 11:17 AM

When I was doing IOE, it was very apparent that the overall experience level had gone down because IOE took WAY longer to finish for the majority of men and women than it had in the past. New hire IOE used to take the minimum 25 hours or so, with the previous experience levels. Not any more. Every once in a while I'd get some low time new guy who was just a born natural for the job and picked it all up very quickly. Most started out slowly, took longer to finish. Just about all of them went on to become very good at this job.

One thing that does bother me though, is that sooo many of the pilots I fly with flip on the autopilot as soon as they enter any weather. The feeling I get is that maybe they don't quite have the confidence in their own scans. Not sure. What better way to gain confidence though, then by hand flying the plane in weather during the climb through maybe 12,000 to 15,000 feet, and hand flying the descent and approach - at least once in a while?

Wingtips 03-12-2012 11:22 AM

I think a big problem is Captains dont realize you have a 200 foot buffer on altitudes. Many new guys are scared of being off by 50 feet when they level off. Some captains go nuts when your 75 feet high on your level off. The book says you have 200 feet.

I am not saying that its good that anyone is off at all, but its why guys are scared and use the auto pilot so quickly, esp when leveling off/ in terminal zone/in WX.

block30 03-12-2012 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1150331)
Back in my day, you had to be a graduate from space camp to get a regional job. 510210501240921 hours total time, and be able to down 5 beers in 10 seconds while hanging upside down. I had to go out and CFI for 10 years, then fly night freight in a plane that flew by me flapping my arms all night, in ice, with no boots, and rabbit wolves in the cabin. After 25 years of that, you might get hired by great lakes.

Guys these days just are not ready for the RJ life. Not sure how guys under 1000 hours have been hired for over 12 years now to fly RJs. Its such a shock to me that it has begun to happen.

Rabbit wolves? I am more afraid of rabid wolves. :eek:

Find me a wingman er wingperson yet? :p


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