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Spin 03-09-2012 07:37 PM

19 seater turboprop
 
What happened to the good old 19 seater turboprop. Are there many of them still around flying pax on scheduled routes?

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 07:42 PM

I fly a 1900 up in the northeast and have a blast doing it. Best job ever and I make decent money to boot. Handflying in the worst weather is more rewarding than any of the flying I've done on a RJ.

Salukipilot4590 03-09-2012 07:47 PM

Wouldn't it be cool if Cessna got into the 19 seat market?

Imagine a current generation C441 stretched with a taller cabin.....

A man can dream

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 07:49 PM

It'll never beat the mighty Beech!

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148928)
I fly a 1900 up in the northeast and have a blast doing it. Best job ever and I make decent money to boot. Handflying in the worst wether is more rewarding than any of the flying I've done on a RJ.


You clown, you have never flown a jet!!! You have like 500 hours and I am amazed your even done with new hire training yet at GULFSTREAM.

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 08:17 PM

Don't be a crybaby.

SlowATRDriver 03-09-2012 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148947)
Your clown, you have never flown a jet!!! You have like 500 hours and I am amazed your even done with new hire training yet at GULFSTREAM.

Perfect example of a clown.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:41 PM


Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1148958)
Perfect example of a clown.

You, you're, some of us dont spend 10 minutes being anal about grammar on a free hand forum.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148949)
Don't be a crybaby.

Dont LIE and say its better than a JET that you have NEVER EVER FLOWN!!!

I am glad you found ways to see a bright side in your bad situation, but do not act like it makes you better than the people at all the jobs you were begging to get 2 months ago. You failed numerous check rides, and that is the only job you could get. You have NEVER FLOWN A JET.

Salukipilot4590 03-09-2012 08:44 PM

What's happened to my profession?

SlowATRDriver 03-09-2012 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148967)
You, you're, some of us dont spend 10 minutes being anal about grammar on a free hand forum.

I am sorry it took you 10 minutes to figure out the differnece between you're and your.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1148969)
What's happened to my profession?

Gojet duh bro man

cubbies4life 03-09-2012 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148968)
Dont LIE and say its better than a JET that you have NEVER EVER FLOWN!!!

I am glad you found ways to see a bright side in your bad situation, but do not act like it makes you better than the people at all the jobs you were begging to get 2 months ago. You failed numerous check rides, and that is the only job you could get. You have NEVER FLOWN A JET.

I have never flown a jet. Hell, I don't even have a high altitude endorsement. Doesn't make me less of a man. Lay off him

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver (Post 1148975)
I am sorry it took you 10 minutes to figure out the differnece between you're and your.

well bro, I was like on facebook and youtube looking at airplane pics and groups. Its why I could not figure I totally messed it up dude.

9easy 03-09-2012 08:52 PM

Unless you are in Alaska which has a specialized economy... 19-seat flying is not profitable, even with ridiculous government subsidies. Even the smallest 121 airline requires so much overhead that you simply can't get enough revenue from 19 seats to make that flying profitable, even if the FO works for free.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by cubbies4life (Post 1148977)
I have never flown a jet. Hell, I don't even have a high altitude endorsement. Doesn't make me less of a man. Lay off him

but you dont lie ;)

Wingtips 03-09-2012 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by 9easy (Post 1148979)
Unless you are in Alaska which has a specialized economy... 19-seat flying is not profitable, even with ridiculous government subsidies. Even the smallest 121 airline requires so much overhead that you simply can't get enough revenue from 19 seats to make that flying profitable, even if the FO works for free.

SHHHHHHHHHHH no one wants to hear this when they work at a place that only has them!

uvuflier 03-09-2012 08:59 PM

Whatever I was in the 1900 yesterday and did a 4g inverted dive with an RJ. I then gave it a love tap and knocked off it's engines forcing it to land. It's true because everyone knows nothing can stand up to a Beechcraft.

sandrich 03-09-2012 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148981)
SHHHHHHHHHHH no one wants to hear this when they work at a place that only has them!

Hey now, we're getting Saabs ;)
In all seriousness, the 1900 looks like a King Air that went to the bar and got the crap beat out of it.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by uvuflier (Post 1148982)
Whatever I was in the 1900 yesterday and did a 4g inverted dive with an RJ. I then gave it a love tap and knocked off it's engines forcing it to land. It's true because everyone knows nothing can stand up to a Beechcraft.

I did that once, but the CRJ7 is much better at that than the 1900, every cowboy knows that. Go youtube dangerzone a few times and get back to me.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1148983)
Hey now, we're getting Saabs ;)
In all seriousness, the 1900 looks like a King Air that went to the bar and got the crap beat out of it.

The EMB120 looks like a retarded child of the EMJ145 having sex with its sister. Doesnt mean it will be around in 3 years.

uvuflier 03-09-2012 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148985)
I did that once, but the CRJ7 is much better at that than the 1900, every cowboy knows that. Go youtube dangerzone a few times and get back to me.

I fly for Silver and I challenge you to a duel. Meet me over the CZI vor (look it up) at 1300Z of the 10th. I'll be the guy in the 1900 at FL220 (door seals leak can't go higher) coming out of the sun.

PS This is me so bring your A game.

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:18 PM

Everyone knows flying a 1900 in the north is harder than any RJ can ever be. So go turn on your AP and whine about your job.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148989)
Everyone knows flying a 1900 in the north is harder than any RJ can ever be. So go turn on your AP and whine about your job.

If it makes you feel better, but wait did you actually finish training???

If you work for a crummy regional you get the autopilot MELd every other week. We all fly our JETS around in that same crummy WX with no auto pilot there cowboy. We do it going twice if not three times as fast as you too.

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:28 PM

Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.

BelowMins 03-09-2012 09:32 PM

You're both losers

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:33 PM

Don't be upset because you don't fly a prop.

BelowMins 03-09-2012 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148996)
Don't be upset because you don't fly a prop.

Been there done that

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:37 PM

Come at me bro!

hockeypilot44 03-09-2012 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148996)
Don't be upset because you don't fly a prop.

Glad you're enjoying yourself there superstar.

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:40 PM

I'm having a blast!

hockeypilot44 03-09-2012 09:40 PM

disregard.

sandrich 03-09-2012 09:43 PM

Why dont we just flop them out on the table and measure them already...


Originally Posted by Spin (Post 1148926)
What happened to the good old 19 seater turboprop. Are there many of them still around flying pax on scheduled routes?

To answer your question, yes they are still around.
Beech 1900D Production summary | Airfleets aviation
Most are overseas, but Silver and Great Lakes still have a full fleet of them. Silver is slowly starting to phase some of them out. Other companies like Era and Bering Air utilize them in Alaska.

uvuflier 03-09-2012 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148998)
Come at me bro!

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...nsg8o1_400.jpg

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:44 PM

Obviously tprop drivers have the biggest.

sandrich 03-09-2012 09:53 PM

"Chicks dig beta?" (Don't judge me)
Or there's the classic "I'd rather screw my way through life than blow"

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 09:56 PM

I hang out in beta as much as I can cause it sounds so cool.

uvuflier 03-09-2012 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1149002)
Why dont we just flop them out on the table and measure them already...



To answer your question, yes they are still around.
Beech 1900D Production summary | Airfleets aviation
Most are overseas, but Silver and Great Lakes still have a full fleet of them. Silver is slowly starting to phase some of them out. Other companies like Era and Bering Air utilize them in Alaska.

Getting to the original question then...

What other 19ish seaters were commonly in use?
A quick wikipedia search shows Jetstream, Twin Otter, Dornier 228, Metroliner, EMB110.

I know at least a few of these are now used by cargo companies. Maybe because boxes don't care if the plane is old, loud, and vibrates. So that's probably why they're unpopular with passengers. That and, as already stated, the overhead even for small operators is enormous.

Wingtips 03-09-2012 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149008)
I hang out in beta as much as I can cause it sounds so cool.

I guess you forgot the guy 3 months ago who had so many failed checkrides he was about to toss in his hat in the aviation business. You should be VERY happy that GULFSTREAM, you know the Eastern SCAB company, is no longer charging YOU to work there!!!!!

Get off your horse, your just another piece of LABOR in this industry. An over educated guy who loads boxes on a truck, or digs a hole at a cemetery.

Cruz5350 03-09-2012 10:07 PM

I made more in my aviation career before I chose the flying route than you ever will. Now I fly and still make good money outside of just sitting in a 1900. Life is good!


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