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sandrich 03-09-2012 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by uvuflier:1149010

Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1149002)
Why dont we just flop them out on the table and measure them already...



To answer your question, yes they are still around.
Beech 1900D Production summary | Airfleets aviation
Most are overseas, but Silver and Great Lakes still have a full fleet of them. Silver is slowly starting to phase some of them out. Other companies like Era and Bering Air utilize them in Alaska.

Getting to the original question then...

What other 19ish seaters were commonly in use?
A quick wikipedia search shows Jetstream, Twin Otter, Dornier 228, Metroliner, EMB110.

I know at least a few of these are now used by cargo companies. Maybe because boxes don't care if the plane is old, loud, and vibrates. So that's probably why they're unpopular with passengers. That and, as already stated, the overhead even for small operators is enormous.

There has to be some sort of profit generated. Otherwise places like Maldivian Air Taxi wouldn't survive on a fleet of Twotters. I know you cant really compare, but I can't imagine the cost of operation varying much between countries. I've been told that even if an EAS leg is empty, the airline still turns a profit.

Salukipilot4590 03-09-2012 10:51 PM

...so when should I put you all to shame and regale you with tales from my career acting in adult films?

$10 says that would be more entertaining than the CJ that's going on in this thread.

Senior Skipper 03-09-2012 11:08 PM

Ok, I don't really have a dog in this fight, but we need to make something clear, because a grave mistake has been made multiple times.





























http://lh5.ggpht.com/_e109kKH12do/Td...you%5B6%5D.gif


Does the picture help?

Great Cornholio 03-10-2012 12:39 AM

Call me crazy but I miss the Beech 1900. I will never be as good of a pilot as I was than when I was rocking the 1900 around the Northeast. If I could make the same money I make flying the 145 and I had a choice I'd pick the 1900. Sure the jet is fast and cool, but its waaaay easier to fly than the 1900 was...basically everything in the 145 is automatic. On the 1900 the only automatic thing I had was the autobrief.

Now if I feel like just being lazy and collecting a pay check then give me the 145, but if I feel like flying a plane give me the 1900.

USMCFLYR 03-10-2012 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148993)
Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.

Now I will jump in; because I seen this in context that you haven't and it is absolutely not true that "anybody can deal with speed" and until you've tried it - you really have no experience to speak of in that regard.

But now you have me curious to Cruz. I've followed you on this forum for quite a while now and I don't remember you ever having flown a jet either. No piloting job is a joke Cruz. Your head seems to have grown awfully large in a short amount of time since you just entered the P121 world. Maybe you should take a step back from the "Your job is a joke.....[I] fly into some small crummy airports with bs weather reporting.....Ice up the wazoo....and marginal runways" It is P121 flying; many would/could say that it is fairly easy flying period (but you would probably take that as a slight too eh?)

USMCFLYR

block30 03-10-2012 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149004)
Obviously tprop drivers have the biggest.

I would say various military, piston freight dogs, bush pilots.

PDTPILOT 03-10-2012 06:18 AM

+1 USMC FLYR....the #1 thing that will get you killed in this industry is arrogance

Jay5150 03-10-2012 06:28 AM


Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.


What outfit does this guy work for? I'm gonna have to add it to the list of companies I won't let my family on, unless it's already there.

The Juice 03-10-2012 06:41 AM



Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.


What outfit does this guy work for? I'm gonna have to add it to the list of companies I won't let my family on, unless it's already there.
Silver Airways (Gulfstream Airways)

sandrich 03-10-2012 07:45 AM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1149017)
...so when should I put you all to shame and regale you with tales from my career acting in adult films?

Now I know where I've seen you from, I thought you looked familiar! ;)

AZ wildcat 03-10-2012 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148967)
You, you're, some of us dont spend 10 minutes being anal about grammar on a free hand forum.


Good grammar is the difference between knowing your shyt, and knowing you're shyt.

Zing....

Red Forman 03-10-2012 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1148967)
You, you're, some of us dont spend 10 minutes being anal about grammar on a free hand forum.

Considering you never get your, you're, there, their, and they're right. It's not about being anal, it's about not looking stupid on a regular basis by not knowing simple parts of the English language.

Red Forman 03-10-2012 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149012)
I made more in my aviation career before I chose the flying route than you ever will. Now I fly and still make good money outside of just sitting in a 1900. Life is good!

You brag about how much money you make and how good of a pilot you are. It's no wonder you have so many check ride failures and had such a hard time finding a job. Good luck with life because so far it seems as if you are failing at it.

Wingtips 03-10-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Red Forman (Post 1149235)
You brag about how much money you make and how good of a pilot you are. It's no wonder you have so many check ride failures and had such a hard time finding a job. Good luck with life because so far it seems as if you are failing at it.

Hes like Eaglecry, makes all that money outside aviation, yet cant focus on anything else ever!

lear 31 pilot 03-10-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1148993)
Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.

Probably has 10 hrs in the right seat of a single pilot Citation. Man you are a real hero, I wish I was as good as you. Humbleness will get you far in this industry, guess you havent figured that out yet. Note too self never fly on Silver Airways, never ever ever.

coryk 03-10-2012 09:04 AM

He (Cruz) was already posting in an ExpressJet thread about getting on there and if his numerous busts will be a factor. He can't be loving his job that much.

Wingtips 03-10-2012 09:18 AM

Cruz, you need to be careful too, its not rocket science to figure out who you are since you have posted every aspect of your life on here. Esp since you work at a company with such few pilots.

Senior Skipper 03-10-2012 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by AZ wildcat (Post 1149225)
Good grammar is the difference between knowing your shyt, and knowing you're shyt.

Zing....

Nice! That made my day.:D

Do you own the copyright to that one? I may need to use it:)

pete2800 03-10-2012 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by AZ wildcat (Post 1149225)
Good grammar is the difference between knowing your shyt, and knowing you're shyt.

Zing....


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1149252)
Nice! That made my day.:D

Do you own the copyright to that one? I may need to use it:)

Another good one: Grammar is the difference between helping your uncle Jack, off his horse... and helping your uncle jack off his horse.

johnso29 03-10-2012 09:52 AM

Wow. This thread is a waste of bandwidth. Nice job on acting like 8 years olds.

ONE chance to get this back on track, or it will join the rest of the locked threads that seem to be plentiful in this neck of the woods.

Senior Skipper 03-10-2012 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by pete2800 (Post 1149267)
Another good one: Grammar is the difference between helping your uncle Jack, off his horse... and helping your uncle jack off his horse.

Sweet!

10 letters

DirectTo 03-10-2012 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1148983)
... the 1900 looks like a King Air that went to the bar and got the crap beat out of it.

Hey...some people are into that look.

2StgTurbine 03-10-2012 11:17 AM

Wow, I did not think it was possible for a thread to go downhill so fast without anyone mentioning GoJet.

Cruz5350 and Wingtips remind of a couple of Jersey Shore cast members fighting; You watch them bicker trying to figure out which is more pathetic, and then you ask yourself why you are watching this crap and change the channel.

Salukipilot4590 03-10-2012 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 1149317)
Wow, I did not think it was possible for a thread to go downhill so fast without anyone mentioning GoJet.

Cruz5350 and Wingtips remind of a couple of Jersey Shore cast members fighting; You watch them bicker trying to figure out which is more pathetic, and then you ask yourself why you are watching this crap and change the channel.

I didn't even have to say IN....

450knotOffice 03-10-2012 11:29 AM

I'm thinking too many beers....

It was sort of comical though. ;)

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 01:30 PM

Ruffling feathers is just way too easy on here lol.

Silverwings 03-10-2012 02:22 PM

So the 1900's don't have AP. Do they have something like a wing leveler?

USMCFLYR 03-10-2012 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149384)
Ruffling feathers is just way too easy on here lol.

So is destroying any thread of credibility :o

USMCFLYR

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Silverwings (Post 1149404)
So the 1900's don't have AP. Do they have something like a wing leveler?

Nope but you'll be fine.

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1149406)
So is destroying any thread of credibility :o

USMCFLYR

It's the Internet and dang Baylor has awesome jerseys this year.

USMCFLYR 03-10-2012 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149408)
It's the Internet and dang Baylor has awesome jerseys this year.

And a source of wonderful information and making good contacts that can help you out in this industry.
It's your reputation Cruz.
Make of it what you will.

USMCFLYR

Salukipilot4590 03-10-2012 02:45 PM

Cant we all just get along and and enjoy my many Indian chick avatars?

Wingtips 03-10-2012 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1149414)
Cant we all just get along and and enjoy my many Indian chick avatars?

I dont put milk in my coffee bro.

2StgTurbine 03-10-2012 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590 (Post 1149414)
Cant we all just get along and and enjoy my many Indian chick avatars?

What! Those are not actual pictures of you? :eek:

Jay5150 03-10-2012 03:54 PM




Flown jets been there done that. Your job is a joke everyday I fly it's hand flown to some smally crummy airport with bs weather reporting. Ice up the wazoo and a runway that is marginal at best so don't cry to me about your mel autopilot. Twice as fast means nothing anybody can deal with speed.


What outfit does this guy work for? I'm gonna have to add it to the list of companies I won't let my family on, unless it's already there.
Silver Airways (Gulfstream Airways)
Well, moot point then, they were already number 1 on the list.

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1149450)
Well, moot point then, they were already number 1 on the list.

Name a time when Gulfstream/Silver had a fatal accident?

DirectTo 03-10-2012 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149459)
Name a time when Gulfstream/Silver had a fatal accident?

Cruz, you sure quickly went from hoping you'd get on with them to being remarkably defensive of a company that really doesn't deserve defense. Do they pay you extra to come promote their excellence on a random forum? (Sounds like something GoJet would do based on the recent threads.)

USMCFLYR 03-10-2012 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Jay5150 (Post 1149450)
Well, moot point then, they were already number 1 on the list.


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1149459)
Name a time when Gulfstream/Silver had a fatal accident?


Originally Posted by DirectTo (Post 1149464)
Cruz, you sure quickly went from hoping you'd get on with them to being remarkably defensive of a company that really doesn't deserve defense. Do they pay you extra to come promote their excellence on a random forum? (Sounds like something GoJet would do based on the recent threads.)

Though an accurate statement I'm trying to figure out the relevance of such a factoid to this discussion.

Also - to be fair to Cruz about the supposed jet time - he did say in the one post that "Handflying in the worst weather is more rewarding than any of the flying I've done on a RJ."

USMCFLYR

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 04:24 PM

I don't care what one thinks of Silver but I think it's amusing saying I won't fly on them from a safety stand point. Morally sure say what you want even I'd throw in some funny quips over a beer or two.

Cruz5350 03-10-2012 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1149469)
Though an accurate statement I'm trying to figure out the relevance of such a factoid to this discussion.

Also - to be fair to Cruz about the supposed jet time - he did say in the one post that "Handflying in the worst weather is more rewarding than any of the flying I've done on a RJ."

USMCFLYR

When I said on I meant from a JS pov.


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